Gracie Combatives MABS Cull: Why is IiF laughing at my "Paper Tiger" comment?

[ghummel]

I've read the thread, and my initial post to it was in direct reponse to the topic. I was simply tossing in my opinion, which was certainly a lot more thought out than little jabs about "water melon juice."

What prompted me to get off topic was when somebody came in and told me that I didn't know what I was talking about, said that my training in JKD was invalid, and that I had no real "experience." I took offense. My training is/was (can't afford the gym dues in my current situation, but I TRY to train as much as possible when I can with whoever I can) legitamite...when he says he's Vunak's guy...that could mean to me that he's a real instructor under Vu or that he bought showed up to a quick fix instructorship seminar.

I just want to know who the hell he thinks he is to make those types of attack without knowing the facts...and imply that I could do the same based upon PFS's recent marketing strategies.

I didn't come here to make a scene or stir shit up or troll.
You're last post had enough implicit information to infer that you have your own pet beliefs about the topic, so I'm guessing you are probably interested in making your own point...which is a good reason to censor me instead of him I suppose.

In any case, you guys can carry on your conversations and what not, I don't know if I feel like posting with people who seem to be more prone to personal attacks and inane idiocy or simple discounting of other people's beliefs without discussion than from trying to learn from each other.

[goodlun]

See the BJJ is too expensive thread before coming up in here saying you can't train because you can't afford it. Plenty of other full time students on this board manage to train just fine.

[W. Rabbit]

My training is/was legitamite...

Try switching to this

[It is Fake]

From reading your post, I can tell you have very minimal BJJ experience, very little actual combat experience, and are definitely not a real Jeet Kune Do practitioner.

Defensive is the person who wrote two essays to address his anger over this sentence. Not once addressing the points in the entire quote.

[DerAuslander]

Obviously, I don't know much about BJJ (I can't get my R's right apparently)...

Then you don't know what you're talking about. You're speaking from ignorance.

but I know I personally have been kicked while I was fighting somebody on the asphalt outside of a bar, as well as have booted somebody who was mounting a friend in a third party defense situation. For that reason alone, I think its a bad idea to go to the ground. That's all.

So basically, you, someone completely untrained in BJJ, made the mistake of going to the ground at the wrong time in the wrong place, so you assume that's what everyone trained in BJJ for self-defense or combat would do?

That's a rather large leap of faith for someone who's never trained in Gracie Combatives or Brazilian Jujutsu.

I am not a black belt in anything, and I didn't buy Paul Vunak's mail order instructorship, so I guess I'm not your type of JKD. I did study under a legitamite instructor for a number of years, though.

Hey, he's got jokes!

I don't anymore because I don't have the money or time being a full time student. I also have a life where trolling internet forums talking shit on people I don't know isn't a priority. Just because my opinion and my experience are different, doesn't negate my training...or my experiences.

No, but your opinion shows your ignorance, and you don't have any experience, because you haven't trained in the subject matter.

By the way, Kinamutai isn't the only art that teaches biting... a KM instructor, a Pukulan silat instructor, a "self defense" instructor, a kenpo karate instructor, and my fucking anatomy professor all suggested it as a good means of self defense, each going into varying degress of how and when to use it.

How many of them have enough of an understanding of grappling to be able to use biting as an effective countermeasure against a determined attacker trained in Brazilian jujutsu? Because the reality of it is as MK13 says. Bite me at the wrong time, in the wrong position, I'm going to break your jaw.

I DID NOT SUGGEST BITING AS A REPLACEMENT FOR GRAPPLING TRAINING...

Actually, that's exactly what you suggested. You're now backpedaling.

I said everyone should have some grappling in their tool belt, but it's unwise for the Gracie Combatives people to discount these tools as being effective...

This is called a strawman. You think that because the Gracie Combatives system starts from a grappling base the Gracies automatically discount these tools?

No.

What they discount is the effectiveness of these tools to be utilized against them by the untrained.

You wanna talk about how easy it is to pop out an eyeball? Let's talk about how easy it would be for me to snap your arm if you tried, much less the low likelihood of you being in any position to even sucessfully try to poke my eyeball out.

and it's retarded to take a fight to the ground and keep it there outside of a ring fight or a consentual thing.

So that makes you a retard, right?

Also...when exactly am I going to be fighting a trained grappler in a street fight?

Within a 20 mile radius of my bar, I can name at least fifteen MMA gyms. I can name countless high schools with varsity wrestling teams. I can name five rugby clubs.

Secondly, if you're not fighting someone with superior groundfighting skill, why are you advocating biting and eye gouging? You would gouge out the eye of someone who you can handle utilizing other means?

What kind of sociopath are you?

You may be a JKD instructor under Vunak...but how the hell do I know YOU'RE not a paper tiger...because from what I see from your post your experience doesn't jive with my experience.

What I see from your posts is that you have very little experience to actually be offering criticism of a program you have not participated in.

[DerAuslander]

What prompted me to get off topic was when somebody came in and told me that I didn't know what I was talking about, said that my training in JKD was invalid, and that I had no real "experience."

You've admitted you have no real BJJ/grappling experience. Why does it hurt to hear it from someone else?

I just want to know who the hell he thinks he is to make those types of attack without knowing the facts...

The facts are your words.

Your criticism of something you don't understand shows your ignorance.

[M1K3]

ghummel, go back and watch the early UFC matches say 1 through 5 when it truly was a style vs style.

Pay particular attention to grappler vs striker matches. I don't even care what style of grappling it was. Notice how long it takes the fight to end up on the ground, usually about 30 seconds. And this is against trained strikers who are doing there best not to end up on the ground.

Go watch the James Toney vs Randy Couture fight. Again about 30 seconds until the striker is on the ground.

If your not a trained grappler once you're on the ground your mine and there isn't shit you can do about it.

To make you feel worse this goes for any BJJ white belt who has about a year of training under his belt.

This isn't bragging either, this is my experience from rolling with people who had black belts in other arts and started taking BJJ. Helpless on the ground.

Now the really said part. I'm a 56 year old hobbyist who has only been training for about 2 years.

You need to visit your local BJJ school and see what I'm talking about.

[Bad Apple]

ghummel, go back and watch the early UFC matches say 1 through 5 when it truly was a style vs style.

Pay particular attention to grappler vs striker matches. I don't even care what style of grappling it was. Notice how long it takes the fight to end up on the ground, usually about 30 seconds. And this is against trained strikers who are doing there best not to end up on the ground.

I'll do you one better : Even when it was striker vs striker it almost always ended up on the ground. The infamous Fred Ettish fight. Krotty vs krotty ends up on the ground.

Most striking TMA's didn't even work standing up like they were supposed to. It may have started out as two dudes approaching each other in their most badassed "kung-fu" stance but as soon as they engaged each other all those stances, forms and katas were abandoned like a prom night dumpster baby and the two strikers end up clinching/dirty boxing and until their feet tangle and they fell over. MOST old timey UFC fights ended with both guys on the ground. Same went for Battlecade XF and the other early NHB venues.

There wasn't a serious stand up striker with reliable KO power in the UFC until "Tank" Abbott (and even he wrestled in college).

[goodlun]

Fuck all your UFC/MMA/NHB shit here is the real streets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqXiULYmsuM

[twisted mind]

I didn't come here to make a scene or stir shit up or troll.

And yet that is exactly what you have done.

In any case, you guys can carry on your conversations and what not, I don't know if I feel like posting with people who seem to be more prone to personal attacks and inane idiocy or simple discounting of other people's beliefs without discussion than from trying to learn from each other

We actually love rage posters around here, they make me laugh.

Secondly, you have just joined the whiney "I'll never post in this forum again club". People say this and then post a couple dozen more times before changing their screen names (hoping that no one will recognize who they are)

Thirdly,You sir, have been called out on your lack of experience and recent activity of "talking out your ass". If you had a clue about actual street brawling, you would never have made a retarded comment against Gracie Jiu Jitsu, Brazillian Jiu Jitsu or any other grapplling art. These arts are proven combat effective, you however are NOT!

So, in closing I would just like to say, enjoy your stay here at Bullshido and feel free to STFU.

[DerAuslander]

Wait.

Did he suggest the ke?po karate taught a comprehensive biting curriculum to be able equalize Gracie Jujutsu?

[It is Fake]

Wait.

Did he suggest the ke?po karate taught a comprehensive biting curriculum to be able equalize Gracie Jujutsu?

Oh I was hoping you would see that.

[goodlun]

Why all this talk about biting don't you know all you have to do is reach down and grab the guy in his nuts?

[DerAuslander]

Yes, but there are particular methodologies necessary in order to properly facilitate biting his nuts.

[goodlun]

Yes, but there are particular methodologies necessary in order to properly facilitate biting his nuts.

I wonder if that would be a good escape from the triangle of course most of the time I am in a triangle I can't bite shit.