Kid uses Gracie Bullyproof stuff to defend himself

[Lebell]

In my experiences with 'pacifists' I tend to see a lot of passive agression.
A true pacifist is also non violent in his thoughts and in the things he says.
I believe that like whats being said earlier, a lot of 'pacifists' are just plain cowards but found an acceptable way of dealing with this.

[ermghoti]

She thinks she is a pacifist, but I beleive Lu Tze thinks she is simply scared of violence, and hiding behind the pacifist label to allow her to claim a moral high-ground rather than just admit she is a coward.

Hm, didn't pick that up, I'll re-read.

EDIT Despite Lu Tze having posted pretty much those words, I missed it. Speed browsing FtF.

[Ignorami]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pacifist

1. a person who believes in pacifism or is opposed to war or to violence of any kind.

2. a person whose personal belief in pacifism causes him or her to refuse being drafted into military service. Compare conscientious objector.

General opposition to violence is only a secondary definition. Being opposed to war does not mean being opposed to unarmed self-defense.

The key part there is "opposed to", not "scared of". She thinks she is a pacifist, but I beleive Lu Tze thinks she is simply scared of violence, and hiding behind the pacifist label to allow her to claim a moral high-ground rather than just admit she is a coward.

IMO, You can see evidence for someone's cowardice or pacifism in two distinct situations:

Firstly, Through Non-action.
e.g.

Someone not intervening when others are mugged/raped. Or those who ignored the plight of Jews in WW2, for fear of reprisals against themselves. (Cowards)
vs
A person, (or nation) being able to walk away, despite someone else behaving like a prick, even though issuing a beatdown would almost certainly be successful.

Secondly, through action. e.g.

Someone applying force to get what they want from someone who is clearly weaker or less able than themselves (Coward)

vs

Ghandi's bunch's non-violent protests, involving standing tall and taking a beating. Or Japanese WW2 pacifists taking themselves to the front line, and firing there rifles over the heads of the enemy. (Pacifist)

I don't think we know enough about the woman to know she is a coward. That said, if forced to choose I too would guess she is a coward. And prior to classes, was close to raising another one.

[Rivington]

This is why all six-year-olds should be outfitted with puppy shock collars whenever they leave the house. They can be tuned to the keyless entry fobs most people with modern cars have.

[JSK_83]

"6 year olds beating 6 year olds". lol

[toad44]

29 is my limit!

if you only had a wheelbarrow! :)

(why didn't you list that among our assets?)

[ermghoti]

I don't give a flying fuck what she thinks she is.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pacifist

1. a person who believes in pacifism or is opposed to war or to violence of any kind.

2. a person whose personal belief in pacifism causes him or her to refuse being drafted into military service. Compare conscientious objector.

General opposition to violence is only a secondary definition. Being opposed to war does not mean being opposed to unarmed self-defense.

[RaiderFunk]

In the end I tend to not worry about 6 year old fighting at all. I just can't think of too many instances of 6 year olds severely beating other 6 year olds.

and maybe that's the point of scoffing these bully proof programs.

Let's face it...some folks are just freakin terrified about the possibility of lil johnny getting pushed by pissy pant jimmy. I think helping the kid to develop coping skills for people not liking him might help him a little better. Bullying exists, but not all bullying is equal and just how much bullying is actually being done by 6 year olds that a call to the parents would not shut down immediately? I think it's far more effective than a kid trying to remember his anti-bully speach and trying to go to guard.

[Turrry]

Little kids are tough, man!

http://www.howmanyfiveyearoldscouldyoutakeinafight.com/

I'm in big trouble if 30 five-year olds ever get pissed at me!! :jihad1: 29 is my limit!

[JudOWNED]

Little kids are tough, man!

http://www.howmanyfiveyearoldscouldyoutakeinafight.com/

[goodlun]

When faced by a gang of three six year olds, I always worry about how many years they have been training. This concern outweighs the reality that they're not killing machines, they are just some goofy little six year olds.

In the end I tend to not worry about 6 year old fighting at all. I just can't think of too many instances of 6 year olds severely beating other 6 year olds.

[Tom .C]

I am curious if the kid where taking classes that would encourage him to out-box multiple opponents if he would have tried to take on all 3 or still just focus in on the only one that was actually being a problem?

When faced by a gang of three six year olds, I always worry about how many years they have been training. This concern outweighs the reality that they're not killing machines, they are just some goofy little six year olds.

[goodlun]

Second, it is far better than a program which teaches a smaller, weaker, less agressive kid to try and out-box 3 opponents.

I am curious if the kid where taking classes that would encourage him to out-box multiple opponents if he would have tried to take on all 3 or still just focus in on the only one that was actually being a problem?

[JudOWNED]

Not if it encourages people to go the the ground in a 3 on 1 situation. Sorry, but an adult shouldn't do that either.

Where shall I begin?...

First, that sentiment gets way over stated. Going to the ground, even againts multiple opponents, is not an immediate death sentence. It is simply a tactic. Somtimes effective, sometimes not. It is not to be dismissed as a valid option just because it has some dangers. Frankly, the reason it is so often over stated is because it is the one excuse people who can't grapple can give for why they don't want to bother learning to grapple. "Well, going to the ground is blah blah blah, so I'd rather know how to punch!"

Second, it is far better than a program which teaches a smaller, weaker, less agressive kid to try and out-box 3 opponents.

And third, this is a program for kids standing up to bullies. Not for people to be able to survive an assault by the 8 crips dealing drugs on a street corner in the bad part of town.

[goodlun]

Training is probably good, but the story is super embellished. Most likely the kid got punked by the bully, kicked him in the balls and ran. Bitch who wrote this just went all Dan Rather on it.

Just curious other than the dialog what sticks out to you as being "super" embellished?