This past month, I did an awesome experiment just to prove a fatty friend wrong.

[King Sleepless]

Sometimes, I like to come down from my throne on Olympus and hang out with people who aren't nearly as beautiful or sexy as me. Yes, and this is hard to admit, I have fat friends, much like you and your fellow friends.

I have this one fat friend who has been complaining for the better part of our entire lives knowing each other about how fat she is and how it's IMPOSSIBLE to lose weight. This seems to be a trend amongst the women I know. If it's too difficult, they just... won't try and give up. Anyway, I told her that all it really takes is to eat better and exercise, even just a little bit.

So rewind to the beginning of the month. I purposefully gained about 11lbs, rocking my weight up to 160lbs, probably the heaviest I've ever been. I had a little ankle injury so I wasn't really training. I told her that by the end of the month, I would not only lose the weight, but it'd be all fat, and not water weight.

So at the beginning of August I stopped eating doughnuts and hamburgers and other awful things for my body. I was effectively losing about 3-4lbs a week from changing my diet. I kept to it faithfully, only faltering about twice. When my ankle healed, I started training again and working out. Nothing too major, I think in total about 6 hours a week. Mostly Judo and a little bit of bagwork.

So today I weighted myself in at 149lbs. In a matter of only 30 days, I dropped 11lbs of fat. This is 149lbs, wet weight, after having had dinner. I'm probably closer to 145lbs dry weight.

Anyway, I tell her of my progress as I go along, which only made her more angry and she just kept making up excuses. Things like, "OH WELL IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE TO EAT HEALTHY." which I replied, "I spend about $25/week on salad, tuna, chicken and rice."

Then it was, "BUT I DON'T HAVE TIME TO EXERCISE." which I replied, "Well stop watching Twilight and spend like 20 minutes jogging."

The excuses kept coming on. It wasn't until I said, "Stop making excuses." which really meant, "It's your fault you're overweight." that she decided to shut up. Not that this is any kind of secret. Eat healthy + exercise = lose weight. It's just that I don't understand how people just... refuse to understand this is how it's done. Now, sure, it's a lot easier for me to lose weight because I'm so used to cutting weight and my body is used to jumping around and sure, it's not like she could drop 11lbs in 1 month, but, it's very clear that just doing those 2 things will bring you down to an acceptable healthy weight.

[Emevas]

Couple of faults I see

-How are you measuring that it is pure fat lost, rather than muscle, fat, and water, which is usually lost on a calorie restriction diet?
-She does have a point in that there is more to it than diet and exercise for women in terms of hormonal flux, but that wasn't what her excuses were in regards to.

But that's just nit-pickey

[alex]

that first part is easy emevas- sirc doesnt have any muscle to begin with

[Emevas]

that first part is easy emevas- sirc doesnt have any muscle to begin with

ZING!

[Emevas]

But to make this thread into something useful, my best strategy for fat loss so far has been restricting grains and starches after lunch and making veggies my primary carb source.

I actually have to work to keep myself out of ketosis. I can eat chicken and salad for every meal.

[King Sleepless]

Couple of faults I see

-How are you measuring that it is pure fat lost, rather than muscle, fat, and water, which is usually lost on a calorie restriction diet?
-She does have a point in that there is more to it than diet and exercise for women in terms of hormonal flux, but that wasn't what her excuses were in regards to.

But that's just nit-pickey

Serious Answer:

I was not on a calorie restriction diet. I was taking in somewhere between 2000-2400 calories a day, which is normal for me. I'm pretty certain it was fat as I weighed myself in the mornings and i have access to my dad's medical office which I use any time I need to, to get an estimate on my body fat percentage. They use one of those weird tub thingies.

I understand that it's more difficult for women because of hormones and stuff. I know she's not going to drop a ridiculous amount of weight in a short period of time. I just wanted to really drive the point home that working out + food = winning at the battle against obesity.

But to make this thread into something useful, my best strategy for fat loss so far has been restricting grains and starches after lunch and making veggies my primary carb source.

I actually have to work to keep myself out of ketosis. I can eat chicken and salad for every meal.

I have been making rice my primary carb source, it's not the greatest as it's all pretty empty. But it does the job. I'll substitute green beans that I do a light dab of olive oil and pan cook them with chicken or tuna.

I've pretty much been conditioned to eat rice with every single meal, so it's not hard for me to keep myself out of ketosis.

[Emevas]

Serious Answer:

I was not on a calorie restriction diet. I was taking in somewhere between 2000-2400 calories a day, which is normal for me. I'm pretty certain it was fat as I weighed myself in the mornings and i have access to my dad's medical office which I use any time I need to, to get an estimate on my body fat percentage. They use one of those weird tub thingies.

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A water submersion tank? Or something else?

I'm mainly asking how you are determining a net loss of zero muscle. Phrases like "all muscle" and "all fat" tend to drive me nuts.


And how did you lose weight without calorie restriction? A deficit must have been created, no?

[WhiteShark]

Also, your "walk on the wild side" of heating donuts and being lazy for a month is nothing compared to a lifetime of fatty habits. You probably didn't change your base metabolic rate very much. Hers probably sucks.

[gregaquaman]

This is my amazing weight loss program.
Aquamans +1-1 program.
+1 bit of extra exersize -1 bit of shit food.

This is very similar to sircs aproach as far as I can see.

It is simple cos I am dumb.

So I do agree with sirc on this one. The worst thing you can do for a fatty with a lifetime of bad habits is to give them a proper program. It is too complicated and leads to failure

[battlefields]

Yeah, putting on five kilos then losing it is easy. I do it regularly, except the other way around.

[Rabu]

I think you have a good point, Sirc. I also think that there are more factors in body weight than diet and excersize, though those two things certainly make up a good portion.

How a persons genetics affects their build is significant. If you pull bad genes at the start, you can work to make the best of it, but certainly have more to work against.

It sounds like your friend certainly is making choices which arent helping as relate to weight control.

On a side note, I have been mostly unable to work out due to injuries, but have changed my diet and have seen some weight loss.

So there you go, a minor support for your statements.

[unclejustin]

This is my amazing weight loss program.
Aquamans +1-1 program.
+1 bit of extra exersize -1 bit of shit food.

This is very similar to sircs aproach as far as I can see.

It is simple cos I am dumb.

So I do agree with sirc on this one. The worst thing you can do for a fatty with a lifetime of bad habits is to give them a proper program. It is too complicated and leads to failure

Seconded. My limited personal experience has found the same. My friends, and I who have started simple and fixed our diet a little at a time have stuck with it and now eat very well. Those who dive in head first and try to do everything at once seem to fail. For me it was swapping sodas for water. Once I was used to that, I moved on to something else. Before you know it Baboom! Nutrition!

[Uglybugly]

didn't read all but did you gain weight just to loose it so you could mock your fat friend with low self esteem? if the answer is mostly yes then I hope your friend is a gypsy because I need some gypsy tears

[helmutlvx]

Sirc, are you just trying to get that bitch to lose weight to that you can rape her skin flaps?

I bet you are, you dirty birdy.

[CoffeeFan]

Couple of faults I see

-How are you measuring that it is pure fat lost, rather than muscle, fat, and water, which is usually lost on a calorie restriction diet?
-She does have a point in that there is more to it than diet and exercise for women in terms of hormonal flux, but that wasn't what her excuses were in regards to.

But that's just nit-pickey

Agreed, you would have to measure body fat % in order to see what type of weight you lost.

Also, it IS harder for women to lose weight then men. Their bodies have more estrogen and less muscle mass meaning they have to work a lot harder to achieve similar results and their bodies are predisposed to having a higher amount of body fat.

It did sound like your friend was just complaining and could do more to be proactive, but your experiment is flawed.