Thoughts on the army rangers combatives manual from the man who wrote it

[ranger joe]

Actually we were not talking about MCMAP (Marine Corp Martial Arts Program) We were talking about Modern Army Combatives and Mr. larson who spear-headed the creation of them. I assume your a cop also if your referring to me as a "piglet" or your just trying to be an insulting douchbag and get your jabs in on a cop over the computer. Your awesome.


I have a Sergeant in my Platoon, who got his blackbelt from the guy who helped write the Manual.

What is your point. I trained, albiet for a brief time with Mr. Larson and have at least earned a small amount of input on this site even though i am a "newby". I dont claim to be a subject matter expert on anything however I do feel I have at least earned my opinion

Also, blood chokes aren't, "deadly force". I don't care. Sure, they are deadly....if you hold them for 1+ minutes. If I were to kill someone with my bare hands, let me assure you I wouldn't use a damn RNC, I'd be neck cranking...[/quote]

No one actually stated that they are in fact deadly force. We stated that they were "considered" deadly force on the use of force "ladder". I dont personally feel that they should be considered Deadly Force. That was my point. Im talking about using them in specific incidents instead of going to hard hands or a baton. Blood choke have the "ability" to cause death, hence they are considered Deadly Force in court and for most police agencies, and frankly thats all that matters. If I was going to go around "neck cranking" people as you suggested I think I would transition to a more effective weapon. Just my humble opinion.


RLTW

[ranger joe]

3moose1

I realized that my post may come across harsh. I took your post as a bit insulting and condescending. If it was not meant to be, my apologies. I was offering my experience both in the military with Army Combatives, Larson, and my experience as a police officer to be relevent to this thread. I was offering my opinion on "deadly force" as a police officer who has sat through numerous lectures of the law both state and federal and policy on deadly force. If you are not a cop, then your opinion means bupkis as far as procedure, however it may be relavent in other manners. Please refrain from calling me an insulting name like "piglet". It is childish and doesn't facilitate clear thinking or dialogue.

[Styygens]

Favor please... Could the folks, especially the noobs, who deserve LEO or Military tags please visit the Bullshido Support Forum and find the Tag Request thread?

I've seen a bunch of new users come on claiming military and/or LEO experience. Requesting the tag and providing the necessary info to the mods can save everyone a lot of unnecessary drama later.

Just a suggestion. Thanks.

[3moose1]

Keep in mind I don't read threads before I post, usually.

[dwkfym]

And keep in mind that 3moose1 is just a misguided jarhead

[ranger joe]

Favor please... Could the folks, especially the noobs, who deserve LEO or Military tags please visit the Bullshido Support Forum and find the Tag Request thread?

I've seen a bunch of new users come on claiming military and/or LEO experience. Requesting the tag and providing the necessary info to the mods can save everyone a lot of unnecessary drama later.

Just a suggestion. Thanks.

I looked on the tag request thread but did not see how to get the LEO thread. As far as the military tag, I dont fax my DD214 to people I dont know. If a bullshido rep is in the Piedmont NC area I would be more than happy to show him/her my LEO and military creds. You can then give me a military and LEO tag. If this is not acceptable, then I guess i wont get the tag. Thats ok by me. If you still doubt I am what i say I am, verify me on www.armyranger.com. I have the same handle over there as well and have been vetted. Im not going to worry to much about a tag over my name. Im still a newb and i still have a lot to learn. Thats why im here.

[Ulsteryank]

Why would you yell "kill" instead of say "die"?

Probably some psychological thing, but we had to say the same thing when I was in boot camp, and, "KILL KILL KILL THEM ALL," on the 3rd go for everything, including "attacking the chow hall."

Then in the fleet it was, "DIE MUTHA-FUCKER DIE!"

[wetware]

Probably some psychological thing, but we had to say the same thing when I was in boot camp, and, "KILL KILL KILL THEM ALL," on the 3rd go for everything, including "attacking the chow hall."

Then in the fleet it was, "DIE MUTHA-FUCKER DIE!"

Yup. It's totally a psychological thing. Die is an action you want them to take. Kill is what you're supposed to do.

[100xobm]

Yup. It's totally a psychological thing. Die is an action you want them to take. Kill is what you're supposed to do.

It's true. At driving school we shout out
"BRAKE ON THE STRAIGHT BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!"

That training really sticks, even the shouting. You'd be amazed how many kiwis you can see ranting at full volume as they approach a corner. But then, that's the price you pay.

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I really need some higher content posts...