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    #16
    On creatine and renal failure-
    Creatinine =/ creatine. Creatinine is secreted when your kidneys are failing. It's just like ketosis =/ ketoacidosis. People say "OMG ketosis is t3h d34dly" when they're thinking of ketoacidosis.
    Rugby player Lomu had nephrotic kidneys.

    Lomu got to the 1999 World Cup, and played another starring role. Privately, though, he knew he was playing on borrowed time. After his last game in 2003, Lomu's creatinine levels were almost 30 times greater than those of an average person. But not today. Today, those creatinine levels are close to normal, and Lomu is revelling in the new sensation of completing a training session then backing up for another
    http://www.theage.com.au/news/Union/...152322251.html

    Creatine supplementation is safe for healthy adult individuals.

    Long-term oral creatine supplementation does not impair renal function in healthy athletes.

    Results: There were no statistical differences between the control group and the creatine consumer group for plasma contents and urine excretion rates for creatinine, urea, and albumin. Clearance of these compounds did not differ between the two groups. Thus, glomerular filtration rate, tubular reabsorption, and glomerular membrane permeability were normal in both groups.
    Conclusions: Neither short-term, medium-term, nor long-term oral creatine supplements induce detrimental effects on the kidney of healthy individuals.
    http://www.acsm-msse.com/pt/re/msse/abstract.00005768-199908000-00005.htm;jsessionid=GsDJtkHMzwhGTS288sc7zfnYWsq0Z Jf2LKh9G9skfw30WY1Dnk0g!3145886!-949856145!8091!-1

    Creatine supplementation does not affect kidney function in an animal model with pre-existing renal failure

    Results.vsP=NS) or creatinine clearance rates. Serum cystatin C concentration, urinary protein excretion, and albumin and urea clearance were comparable between creatine-supplemented and control-diet fed animals in both sham-operated and two-thirds nephrectomized animals. Serum creatine and intramuscular total creatine concentrations were higher in creatine-supplemented groups (P<0.05).
    http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...8/2/258?ck=nck

    Dietary creatine supplementation does not affect some haematological indices, or indices of muscle damage and hepatic and renal function

    Findings
    http://bjsm.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/34/4/284

    It does cause water retention, so don't use diuretics and stimulants while supplementing with it because your bp ca go way up- even more so if you're using gear.
    They killed JFK in '63, so what the fuck you think they'll do to me?

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      #17
      ironlurker, that's one hell of a good post. Many, many thanks.
      Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

      My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

      New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

      t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

      The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris

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        #18
        Originally posted by El Macho
        ironlurker, that's one hell of a good post. Many, many thanks.
        Thanks, but I think it's time you admitted truepwrz is really just a duplicate account you use to liven up the forum :new_silly
        They killed JFK in '63, so what the fuck you think they'll do to me?

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          #19
          With my charisma alone I liven up the forums! :viking:
          Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

          My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

          New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

          t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

          The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris

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            #20
            Originally posted by ironlurker
            Thanks, but I think it's time you admitted truepwrz is really just a duplicate account you use to liven up the forum :new_silly
            true the forums are getting too dead... time for me to explode it:blob8: lol, btw I am trying out cell tech now any opinions on it???

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              #21
              Don't waste your money! Try out micronized creatine monohydrate. Monohydrate has all the studies confirming it works and is cheap. Cell Tech is over priced monohydrate. It has a lot of sugar and some alpha lipoic acid with some other goodies to help increase absorption.

              You can make your own for much cheaper, but I would just but plain micronized monohydrate.

              http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/abb/crea.html

              200 servings for $23.

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                #22
                1. Bodybuilding.com sucks.

                2. Creatine was cycled to keep the effects going. The body would begin to see diminishing returns while constantly on CM. That in itself is a bit or a marketing gimmick along with the loading phases...

                3. If you're going to use any form of Creatine, buy the estered form, or it's derivatives. They usually come in pill form and are economically more sound.

                Try DPSnutrition.com. They have decent prices for a variety of things. Mysupplementstore.com is halfway decent as well. As with most things, shop around, you'll find a deal.
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGXiN-_BCts

                Numa ^ 3

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                  #23
                  Why use the estered form? Is it really that much better? I know its cheap like mono but do you use it? 3 grams a day is what I have read I think.

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                    #24
                    i guess i will get the micronized creatine then do they sell it in gnc(that is the closest supplement store to me)

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                      #25
                      www.bulknutrition.com

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                        #26
                        My brother is supposed to start taking creatine for a muscle condition, and he asked me to find a good type and brand. Personally I don't use the stuff and don't really intend to so I've never looked into it that far until now.
                        I am looking to avoid side effects such as bloating and whatnot as much as possible, and cost isn't a huge issue, so I'm thinking of the CEE type in pill form to make it easier to take. One additional concern I have is avoiding kidney stones as he's had those before, so if there's one particular form that's best for avoiding these that would probably trump most other factors.
                        With those in mind, I'd like some recommendations for specific brands that are good quality.

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                          #27
                          Taken from: http://forum.myprotein.co.uk/showthread.php?t=9272

                          Creatine Ethyl Ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid

                          Child R1 and Tallon MJ2
                          1Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. 2University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, [email protected]


                          Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE) is a commercially available synthetic creatine that is now widely used in dietary supplements. It comprises of creatine with an ethyl group attached and this molecular configuration is reported to provide several advantages over creatine monohydrate (CM). The Medical Research Institute (CA, USA) claim that the ceecee in their product (San CM2 Alpha) avoids the breakdown of creatine to creatinine in stomach acids. Ultimately it is claimed that cee products provide greater absorption and efficacy than CM. To date, none of these claims have been evaluated by an independent, or university laboratory and no comparative data are available on cee and CM.

                          This study assessed the availability of creatine from three commercial creatine products during degradation in acidic conditions similar to those that occur in the stomach. They comprised of two products containing ceecreatine availability was assessed by immediately assaying for free creatine, cee and the creatine breakdown product creatinine, using HPLC (UV)

                          After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial cee present was available from CE2, while the amount of cee available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in cee availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120minutes incubation 72% of the ceecreatine remained available from CM.

                          cee is claimed to provide several advantages over CM because of increased solubility and stability. In practice, the addition of the ethyl group to creatine actually reduces acid stability and accelerates its breakdown to creatinine. This substantially reduces creatinecreatine such as San CM2 and CE2 are inferior to CM as a source of free creatine.

                          Supported by Cr-Technologies, LLP, London, England
                          in their product (CE2) provides greater solubility in lipids, leading to improved absorption. Similarly San (San Corporation, CA, USA) claim that the was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the availability in its esterified form and as a consequence
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                            #28
                            And a thread about cycling also: http://forum.myprotein.co.uk/showthread.php?t=9349

                            Most people are of the opinion that cycling is unnecessary.
                            " The reason elite level MMAists don't fight with aikido is the same reason elite level swimmers don't swim with their lips." - Virus

                            " I shocked him with my skills on the ice becuase Wing Chun is great for hockey fighting." - 'Sifu' Milt Wallace

                            "Besides, as you might already know (from Virus, for example) - there's only 1 wing chun and it sucks big time" - Tonuzaba

                            "Even when I'm promising mayhem and butt-chicanery, I'm generally posting with a smile on my face." - Sochin101

                            "That said, if he blocked my hip on a drop nage, I would extend my leg into a drop tai Otoshi and slam him so hard his parents would die." - MTripp

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