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    #46
    Originally posted by shadow beast
    the traps and blocks in shotokan work so much better then what i learned in my little time with fsd, it's so easy to tell too.
    Wow.

    Just...wow...

    That's possibly the most scathing thing you could say about Fang Shen Do.

    If Shotokant trapping works better than FSD...

    FSD truly is the ultimate in suckage.

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      #47
      Originally posted by Doctor X
      As with any cult, they will just blame the victim for being a "pussy" who "did not apply the techniques correctly," who "if only he came to the Shit-Sniffing Seminar he would have been t3h d34dly," et cetera.

      Basically, the same excuses faith healers use when people die.

      --J.D.
      Lets hope the harsh hand of reality doesn't come down too hard on them the first time. However I can envision a Cobra Kei-esqu situation when that happens:

      John Kreese: Fear does not exist in this dojo, does it?!
      Karate Student: No, Sensei!
      John Kreese: Pain does not exist in this dojo, does it?!
      Karate Student: No, Sensei!
      John Kreese: Defeat does not exist in this dojo, does it?!
      Karate Student: No, Sensei!

      Dang sub in Kreese for Patenaude and Sensei for Seafood and you won't be that far off.

      On another note, we have repeatedly suggested to Fang Shen Don't that the best way to deal with all complaints and concerns is to pony up and get in the cage/ring or on the mat. There is a huge number of events in Canada to do so. If you're worried about losing infront of a home town audience come out west, we got this fun little show called KOTC where you can test yourself to your heart's content.

      TKD

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        #48
        Originally posted by TKD Black Belt
        On another note, we have repeatedly suggested to Fang Shen Don't that the best way to deal with all complaints and concerns is to pony up and get in the cage/ring or on the mat. There is a huge number of events in Canada to do so. If you're worried about losing infront of a home town audience come out west, we got this fun little show called KOTC where you can test yourself to your heart's content.

        TKD

        Ok you dont understand, FSD is about real fighting. The cage (no matter how brutal) is still a game. a game to see who the most condidtiond athealete is. Like boxing!

        FSD is about the real Life and death fight, that can come upon you at a moments notice. FSD is also about becoming a better person through leadership and helping out clasmates. All this talk of champoins. A "champion" Fights for self glory and ego, not out of humility and self respect. FSD honors these traites as a spiritual pursute.

        Fighting in the cage may prove a few things. You can wrestle well, You are in shape, And you have drive. FSD teaches non-Athletic people that they too can defend themselves. By training in the muscle memory style of FSD the attacker will be on the ground before the attacked even knows they were in a fight. This is the power of FSD. It works...admitedly no, a 50 year old FSD grandma will not beable to beat up Ken shammrock. But niether can you BJJ mouths.

        FSD is for people that want to protect themselves with a fighting style that has no rules unlike "No-holds-barred" fights with its rules. FSD will attack the eyes...ok? Or the knees...Wham! down you go with a torn ACL. FSD will bite...Gross but hard to fight while screaming in pain. FSD will use a knife! the ultimate in Anti-grappling. Thats right...A knife There is no grappling when the blade come out. But one cant use that in the cage!

        *Yawn* What the fuck? I just had a dream that I did FSD.

        (I would like to apologize for the above post. I have never studied FSD and yet i spoke as an authority on the subject. I admit that i used common lines nd sales pitches used by most Mcdojos ant Styles from the Faketrix to aurgue the merits of FSD. I wont be doing this again...)

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          #49
          Originally posted by Macte
          I agree with that as well, after what I have hear this past month..this past week as well, I can see that....two of the people I know that actually teach and train realistic martial arts now...years after being there ..will simply not talk about there past with them at all....I know that neither of them are oushovers when it comes to their own training..yet they will not tlak about it...I was hoping to hear from stringfellow..see what he`s heard of late????
          :beatdead:
          Yeah, my posting has been pretty thin of late. There's this thing called "real life" that keeps intruding.

          To answer your question, I have heard from a few people, though no one "new" lately (I think you need something like 20 posts before you can PM anyone anyway, don't you?). Unfortunately, it's like you mentioned earlier - most don't want to post themselves out of fear of some sort of retribution. Many are of the opinion that if they share their story it'll be recognized by the management and thus their identity will be known. Sometimes they're willing to share the stories privately, so long as I don't talk about them. I respect that. Even if I can't talk about sometimes it provides corroboration for something else that someone has posted about.

          I have tried to encourage them to speak up themselves, even if it's only to build on what others are posting. It can be a hard thing for someone who hasn't been "part of the fold" to understand, but these guys can really get inside your head while you're there. Time will tell.

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            #50
            Wagamichi,

            You scared me there.


            Dont ever let it happen again - 'Cause I carry a UFC regulation cage with me everywhere I go. That way if someone attacks me I can throw the cage down on the ground and start explaining the rules for the fight. 5 Minute rounds of course - water breaks and corner men.....

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              #51
              The Faketrix...I love it...

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                #52
                Originally posted by wagamichi
                Ok you dont understand, FSD is about real fighting. The cage (no matter how brutal) is still a game. a game to see who the most condidtiond athealete is. Like boxing!

                FSD is about the real Life and death fight, that can come upon you at a moments notice. FSD is also about becoming a better person through leadership and helping out clasmates. All this talk of champoins. A "champion" Fights for self glory and ego, not out of humility and self respect. FSD honors these traites as a spiritual pursute.

                Fighting in the cage may prove a few things. You can wrestle well, You are in shape, And you have drive. FSD teaches non-Athletic people that they too can defend themselves. By training in the muscle memory style of FSD the attacker will be on the ground before the attacked even knows they were in a fight. This is the power of FSD. It works...admitedly no, a 50 year old FSD grandma will not beable to beat up Ken shammrock. But niether can you BJJ mouths.

                FSD is for people that want to protect themselves with a fighting style that has no rules unlike "No-holds-barred" fights with its rules. FSD will attack the eyes...ok? Or the knees...Wham! down you go with a torn ACL. FSD will bite...Gross but hard to fight while screaming in pain. FSD will use a knife! the ultimate in Anti-grappling. Thats right...A knife There is no grappling when the blade come out. But one cant use that in the cage!

                *Yawn* What the fuck? I just had a dream that I did FSD.

                (I would like to apologize for the above post. I have never studied FSD and yet i spoke as an authority on the subject. I admit that i used common lines nd sales pitches used by most Mcdojos ant Styles from the Faketrix to aurgue the merits of FSD. I wont be doing this again...)
                That's okay, when I'm in Ottawa this summer I will dress up as a Biker Cop (or was it the Indian...) no wait Martin likes the Construction Worker, anyways, I'll dress up like The Construction Worker and wait for him to pick a fight 'for real' with me.

                TKD:wave:



                "Was this the man that assaulted you sir?"

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                  #53
                  FSD - this thread suggests so many possible slogans.

                  Such as:

                  Fang Shen Do - "I know I'm a 3rd generation bastard of wing chun, but I'm still the best"
                  Fang Shen Do - "separating foolish Canadians from their money since 1983"
                  Fang Shen Do - "because people up here will believe anything"
                  Fang Shen Do - "Patenaude - means 'paternity test'"

                  and

                  Fang Shen Do - "smells like dog shit"

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                    #54
                    I know of an incident 3 years ago at training camp where a student got punched in the throat and could'nt breathe.
                    One of the female students started crying out of fear for the non breathing student and Sijo told her to stop pissing on her face.

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                      #55
                      No surprise

                      No surprise there at all, from what I am being told that is normal, unfortunately.
                      As for many of their ex students not wanting to talk..it seems to go beyond intimidation tactics...one said he had three guys show up at his apartment one night..after he`d opened hi WC school...they were in his HALLWAY...and from the sounds of things he did involve the police ..this would be circa 1990 or so....I think that mnay of the ex students are fearful of strongarm tactics and that some of the threats may be real..just an opinion...but...people are people...fear is fear..and I tell you one of them swears theres more to the fsd thing than martial arts...trying to get him to talk about it...online..he was totally turned off any type of training...
                      this never seems to end...I am willing to bet that there are many mnay more of these ex people out there...

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Macte
                        No surprise there at all, from what I am being told that is normal, unfortunately.
                        As for many of their ex students not wanting to talk..it seems to go beyond intimidation tactics...one said he had three guys show up at his apartment one night..after he`d opened hi WC school...they were in his HALLWAY...and from the sounds of things he did involve the police ..this would be circa 1990 or so....I think that mnay of the ex students are fearful of strongarm tactics and that some of the threats may be real..just an opinion...but...people are people...fear is fear..and I tell you one of them swears theres more to the fsd thing than martial arts...trying to get him to talk about it...online..he was totally turned off any type of training...
                        this never seems to end...I am willing to bet that there are many mnay more of these ex people out there...

                        What the fuck ever. Cant you guys carry guns up there in Canada? What is up with this FSD shit! How can it keep going? someone needs to open up some real schools and advertise the FSD people into the ground. why dosn't someone take the assult fine and just go in and beat the "sijos" ass infront of his class? Happens all the time. Walk in and say "hey shit bag, you can't fight!" and then just beat his ass.

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                          #57
                          I agree

                          Hey I agree with you..just telling it like it is...some people here have been super freaked out for some reason....I know a JKD/MMA/Thai fighter from T.O. tried to head down to hteir head school four years ago but it was closed...he was pretty serious..and wasa stadium figher in Thailand..that wouldv`e been a good show...

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by enhanced
                            I know of an incident 3 years ago at training camp where a student got punched in the throat and could'nt breathe.
                            One of the female students started crying out of fear for the non breathing student and Sijo told her to stop pissing on her face.
                            All I have to say is "Holy Fuck!"

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                              #59
                              Yup..

                              Yup... thats about it for me as well, my buddies in Law Enforcement here have lots of "stories" too...I`ll get them online if I can...I work with a few of them...they have lots of stories, i guess a Tae Kwon Do kid..young kid walled into the head school a few years ago and he was wearing his uniform..so without missing a beat..sjp heads dwon the stairs and beats this kid up..he just finished his class and was looking for something new....not usre what happened with that one...anyone else know about this..guess the kid was a teenager.......Like to see that happen to someone viable...that hit back..
                              :fist:

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Macte
                                Yup... thats about it for me as well, my buddies in Law Enforcement here have lots of "stories" too...I`ll get them online if I can...I work with a few of them...they have lots of stories, i guess a Tae Kwon Do kid..young kid walled into the head school a few years ago and he was wearing his uniform..so without missing a beat..sjp heads dwon the stairs and beats this kid up..he just finished his class and was looking for something new....not usre what happened with that one...anyone else know about this..guess the kid was a teenager.......Like to see that happen to someone viable...that hit back..
                                :fist:

                                I would like to see him choke to death on his own vomit after watching his family sodimized and killed infront of him.

                                I know guys like this "Sijo" charachter. There was one here in Indy...Steve. He had 3 or four dojo's the classic white trash beard, charles manson eyes, and angry...I'll kill you look on his face every moment. Even had a giant painting of himself doing a jump side kick while screaming with a full on war face. the painting (on the outside of his building) could be seen from the interstate.

                                He put up a bill board over his ex-teachers school that said, "For real karate drive 3 more blocks!"

                                Once he had a woman come in and ask about class, after the pitch she said "i dont know if i need self-sefence." He jumped up and kicked her in the face knocking her down screaming, Looks to me like you do!

                                Well one day 2 thugs walk in and beat the holy shit out of him- no weapons- just some good old gangsta disiple ass beating. They then stole everything in the dojo, and trashed the place. He ain't around any more.

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