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    2 points.
    1. You were never attacked. If JFS attacked you...you'd be dead. He said mean things to you.

    2. The nature of your complaints constituted an attack (By your definintion) on what this community considers acceptable interaction. Your continued refusal to accept that this community is exactly the way it wants to be is indictates that your arrogance precludes you from ever believeing that maybe someone else knows something you don't, or believes differently from you. That is the province of youth.
    And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

    --Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.

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      Originally posted by plasmagoat
      I trained in krav maga for a while, but I'm moving to judo as soon as I can.


      I don't live in Australia.
      ahh, I had you confused with a different plasmagoat.

      Krav maga, that explains it. Not in a bad way either. No need to respond, I've got what I needed from this thread.

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        Originally posted by Scrapper
        2 points.
        1. You were never attacked. If JFS attacked you...you'd be dead. He said mean things to you.
        JFS can't kill me through the Internet, even if he has 10,000 years of TCMA experience.

        2. The nature of your complaints constituted an attack (By your definintion) on what this community considers acceptable interaction. Your continued refusal to accept that this community is exactly the way it wants to be is indictates that your arrogance precludes you from ever believeing that maybe someone else knows something you don't, or believes differently from you. That is the province of youth.
        You may want to be a certain way, but that doesn't mean it's a good way. You can rationalize trolling and spamming until you turn blue, but it's never going to be anything except trolling and spamming. Also, this whole thing started from the fact that JFS can't accept people who believe differently than he does. Your "way" only serves to drive people away and make you look bad, it doesn't make you more efficient at rooting out frauds.

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          Originally posted by plasmagoat
          JFS can't kill me through the Internet, even if he has 10,000 years of TCMA experience.

          Enough with the obfuscation already!

          Originally posted by plasmagoat
          You may want to be a certain way, but that doesn't mean it's a good way. You can rationalize trolling and spamming until you turn blue, but it's never going to be anything except trolling and spamming.

          Please take a moment to think about what you just wrote.
          I hope the irony of it isn't lost on you.

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            Originally posted by pox
            Enough with the obfuscation already!
            No, he can't kill me through the board software. That's just how it is.

            Please take a moment to think about what you just wrote.
            I hope the irony of it isn't lost on you.
            I did not try to claim that my spamming wasn't spamming. I was doing what others were doing, so if we conclude that what others were doing was spam, then what I was doing was spam too.

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              Wow, not going to pick apart all that (though I did read it). Instead we'll wander to a specific point repeated by Plasmagoat. Plasma, you state that it's impossible to stay civil in this enviroment because it's difficult. You also state that staying civil has no purpose and gets no results. In response to that let's look at a few things going on here.

              First, let's look at how JFS and I speak to each other in current time.

              http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...&page=32&pp=15

              The main focus starts at post 8. Then note how JFS and I go back and forth, not actually even agreeing at the core point, yet no insults or attacks get made. We're just talking.

              Now let's look at JFS and I when he first came onto the board.

              http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27016

              Okay, I can't find the specific point it starts, but it's in there and suffice to say he's just as bad to me initially as he was to you. See an improvement?

              And if that's not enough by itself, let's look at the comment I've gotten over the years in response to my 'Useless" civility which you say can't do anything in this forum (Names are left out).

              "I heartily endorse your debating style, sir."

              "Bless you for trying."

              "stop helping him be a man .. though I think its nice of you to help ."

              "You're right about the Plasmagoats of the board, but wrong about yourself. You're a quality poster who contributes new and interesting points of view."

              "Reasonable as usual, if total overkill in this case."

              "Sums up the argument very concisely"

              "You = Valuable

              --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

              I just wanted you to know, I value your prescence here HIGHLY and miss it when you don't post.

              You are one of best poster here and someone I respect."

              There are others, but I felt those make the point simply. Obviously civility, calmness and sincere and legitemate politeness can be successful here. I suggest you consider that approach instead of trying to be just as bad. At the very least it'll make you NOT a hypocrite when you argue moral superiority.

              And as an aside Morality =/= Civility. JFS doesn't kill children, rape people, harm innocents, etc, etc, etc. He's very moral and someone I'd want on my side if I needed to actually defend something with force. That I detest his mouth is a minor aside and nothing more. You are judging the whole of a person by the cover, just so you know.

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                Originally posted by Bard of DorAr
                Wow, not going to pick apart all that (though I did read it). Instead we'll wander to a specific point repeated by Plasmagoat. Plasma, you state that it's impossible to stay civil in this enviroment because it's difficult. You also state that staying civil has no purpose and gets no results. In response to that let's look at a few things going on here.

                First, let's look at how JFS and I speak to each other in current time.

                http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...&page=32&pp=15

                The main focus starts at post 8. Then note how JFS and I go back and forth, not actually even agreeing at the core point, yet no insults or attacks get made. We're just talking.

                Now let's look at JFS and I when he first came onto the board.



                Okay, I can't find the specific point it starts, but it's in there and suffice to say he's just as bad to me initially as he was to you. See an improvement?

                And if that's not enough by itself, let's look at the comment I've gotten over the years in response to my 'Useless" civility which you say can't do anything in this forum (Names are left out).

                "I heartily endorse your debating style, sir."

                "Bless you for trying."

                "stop helping him be a man .. though I think its nice of you to help ."

                "You're right about the Plasmagoats of the board, but wrong about yourself. You're a quality poster who contributes new and interesting points of view."

                "Reasonable as usual, if total overkill in this case."

                "Sums up the argument very concisely"

                "You = Valuable

                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                I just wanted you to know, I value your prescence here HIGHLY and miss it when you don't post.

                You are one of best poster here and someone I respect."

                There are others, but I felt those make the point simply. Obviously civility, calmness and sincere and legitemate politeness can be successful here. I suggest you consider that approach instead of trying to be just as bad. At the very least it'll make you NOT a hypocrite when you argue moral superiority.
                That's nice, but it doesn't work for me, apparently. Maybe it works for you because you're an instructor.

                And as an aside Morality =/= Civility. JFS doesn't kill children, rape people, harm innocents, etc, etc, etc. He's very moral and someone I'd want on my side if I needed to actually defend something with force. That I detest his mouth is a minor aside and nothing more. You are judging the whole of a person by the cover, just so you know.
                The only thing that matters here is what he says, and what he says makes him seem like a complete psycho. That's it. If he acts this way on the Internet, what reason do I have to believe you when you say that he's nice in real life? You can't expect to act like an asshole without people thinking that you're an asshole.

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                  Originally posted by plasmagoat
                  You may want to be a certain way, but that doesn't mean it's a good way. You can rationalize trolling and spamming until you turn blue, but it's never going to be anything except trolling and spamming. Also, this whole thing started from the fact that JFS can't accept people who believe differently than he does. Your "way" only serves to drive people away and make you look bad, it doesn't make you more efficient at rooting out frauds.

                  You damn yourself. By your opinions and thoughts spamming, trolling, etc is not acceptable in the least and is never justifiable. Yet you attempt to justify doing it yourself because it's too "difficult" to remain civil or above it in the face of it. You're a hypocrite, plain and simple.

                  Either there ARE times where it's okay and can be rationalized or there aren't. If there are (in order for you to not be breaking your own rule) then you have to accept that maybe, just maybe, there might be a point to JFS's behavior. If there aren't (because JFS's behavior is unacceptable) then you have broken your own civil guideline and are in fact FAR worse than JFS. JFS is that way from the get go, if it's a flaw, it's one of ignorance and to be helped. YOU came on as a civil and polite individual and then acted in a poor manner, meaning you KNEW what you were doing.

                  You might want to stop while you're far behind, young man, it'd be best for you.

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                    Originally posted by Bard of DorAr
                    You damn yourself. By your opinions and thoughts spamming, trolling, etc is not acceptable in the least and is never justifiable. Yet you attempt to justify doing it yourself because it's too "difficult" to remain civil or above it in the face of it. You're a hypocrite, plain and simple.
                    I didn't troll because of that, I did it to make a point and to see if there are double standards here.

                    You might want to stop while you're far behind, young man, it'd be best for you.
                    Likewise.

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                      Originally posted by plasmagoat
                      That's nice, but it doesn't work for me, apparently. Maybe it works for you because you're an instructor.
                      Actually, the title's relatively new. I earned my respect on my own merit before that little green lable ever popped up under my name. I earned it when I was listed as a Newbie and Lightweight and THEN got the green title when Phrost started labling fighters and teachers. Besides, did you read it? FENCING instructor. Do you think the vast majority of this board, concened with legitemate and consistantly usefull modern day Martial Arts is giving me merit based on my intense study of an archaic form of lethal combat not used by very many if any people out there?

                      Originally posted by plasmagoat
                      The only thing that matters here is what he says, and what he says makes him seem like a complete psycho. That's it. If he acts this way on the Internet, what reason do I have to believe you when you say that he's nice in real life? You can't expect to act like an asshole without people thinking that you're an asshole.
                      Book by cover. Yes, you can't expect to actl ike an asshole without people thinking you're an asshole. Most people are too dim to judge at length, they make their first reaction and go with it ad infin. Glad to know you're a knee-jerk reacting sheep like the majority.

                      Originally posted by plasmagoat
                      I didn't troll because of that, I did it to make a point and to see if there are double standards here.

                      Likewise.
                      Doesn't matter, by your point there is no exception to the rule, spamming and trolling are ALWAYS unacceptable. That makes YOUR spamming and trolling, for whatever reason you give them, equally unacceptable. Saying that "I did it to make a point" is giving explanation and justification to it. By your earlier comment there can be none. This is hypocrasy.

                      And there is no likewise, you're out of your league with me, to be perfectly honest. If you could actually explain in a concise and clear manner exactly how you're ahead of me in this little game, that'd be great, but since you refuse to try new angles when your first fail, I doubt you could manage it even if it were true. I welcome the attempt none the less.
                      Last edited by Bard of DorAr; 10/28/2005 9:19am, .

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                        Edit: Double post, sorry..

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                          Originally posted by plasmagoat
                          I did not try to claim that my spamming wasn't spamming. I was doing what others were doing, so if we conclude that what others were doing was spam, then what I was doing was spam too.
                          But we don't conclude that what the others were doing was spam. You have admitted spamming several threads on the forum. What the others were doing wasn't spamming, it was a sustained mocking, at your expense.

                          Again, and I don't think this can be said enough, the participants in this community do not owe you the respect of vetting every post they make in case it doesn't come up to your standards.

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                            Originally posted by Bard of DorAr
                            Actually, the title's relatively new. I earned my respect on my own merit before that little green lable ever popped up under my name. I earned it when I was listed as a Newbie and Lightweight and THEN got the green title when Phrost started labling fighters and teachers. Besides, did you read it? FENCING instructor. Do you think the vast majority of this board, concened with legitemate and consistantly usefull modern day Martial Arts is giving me merit based on my intense study of an archaic form of lethal combat not used by very many if any people out there?
                            Then I guess the reason is something that will never be discovered.

                            Book by cover. Yes, you can't expect to actl ike an asshole without people thinking you're an asshole. Most people are too dim to judge at length, they make their first reaction and go with it ad infin. Glad to know you're a knee-jerk reacting sheep like the majority.
                            I'm not supposed to draw any conclusion based on his consistent and continuing behavior? Are you completely detached from reality?

                            Originally posted by pox
                            But we don't conclude that what the others were doing was spam. You have admitted spamming several threads on the forum. What the others were doing wasn't spamming, it was a sustained mocking, at your expense.
                            Well, if it wasn't spam, then neither was mine.

                            Originally posted by Bard of DorAr
                            Doesn't matter, by your point there is no exception to the rule, spamming and trolling are ALWAYS unacceptable. That makes YOUR spamming and trolling, for whatever reason you give them, equally unacceptable. Saying that "I did it to make a point" is giving explanation and justification to it. By your earlier comment there can be none. This is hypocrasy.
                            Then I guess I'll just make a fucking exception then. What's so irritating about this shitfest is that everyone (that inclues me) does something and then blames someone ele for doing it too. JFS trolls and then immediately blames me for trolling, and so on. I can't fucking believe that supposedly adult people can go to lenghts like this over one harmless observation.

                            And there is no likewise, you're out of your league with me, to be perfectly honest. If you could actually explain in a concise and clear manner exactly how you're ahead of me in this little game, that'd be great, but since you refuse to try new angles when your first fail, I doubt you could manage it even if it were true. I welcome the attempt none the less.
                            Likewise. Haha. Doesn't matter anymore. This whole thread is train wreck for everyone involved, but at least there's one irrefutable truth: I didn't start it.
                            Last edited by plasmagoat; 10/28/2005 9:24am, .

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                              Originally posted by plasmagoat
                              Then I guess the reason is something that will never be discovered.
                              Wow, and you want to speak to me about dense or attatchment to reality. The reason is simply that I'm direct, blunt, honest and remain polite and civil through it all because I am legitemately so. I earned my respect by the exact manner you say is impossible.

                              Originally posted by plasmagoat
                              I'm not supposed to draw any conclusion based on his consistent and continuing behavior? Are you completely detached from reality?
                              You can, you should also not blindly assume what you see on the cover is all there is to it. That's just it, you are expected and logically required to make opinions. Your initial opinion of JFS is perfectly valid based on how he behaved. The problem occurs when seven or eight other people tried to explain the real person to you and you basically plugged your ears and said lalalalala a whole bunch. You don't WANT to find out you're wrong, you've made your knee jerk reaction and that's all there is to it, and anyone pointing out that there might be more to that book than it's cover are "wrong". This is a fault in you, not in us.

                              Originally posted by plasmagoat
                              Well, if it wasn't spam, then neither was mine.
                              That's not the point, I'm of the opinion it WAS spam, no arguement there. The point remains that according to you spam is always spam and is not okay. That being the case, your spam is equally unacceptable. Further more, because YOU are calling for it to be wrong based on moral perogative, you spamming is actually WORSE than JFS spamming.

                              Originally posted by plasmagoat
                              Then I guess I'll just make a fucking exception then. What's so irritating about this shitfest is that everyone (that inclues me) does something and then blames someone ele for doing it too. JFS trolls and then immediately blames me for trolling, and so on. I can't fucking believe that supposedly adult people can go to lenghts like this over one harmless observation.
                              Here's the trick, JFS insulted you in a tongue in cheek joke manner. You didn't know this and took offense, fair enough. Then YOU came over here and started this debate. There's no getting around it. If I have an arguement with (insert poster Y) on a different thread. Then come to this thread and make a post complaining about (insert poster Y) Then I have started any fight that occurs on this thread. You chose to bring this up on this thread and thusly drag many many people into it. All there is to it.

                              Originally posted by plasmagoat
                              Likewise. Haha. Doesn't matter anymore. This whole thread is train wreck for everyone involved, but at least there's one irrefutable truth: I didn't start it.
                              You started THIS fight, your reasons were due to the actions of another, but you chose to come to this thread and start THIS particular arguement. And I notice you can't or won't actually justify your intellectual superiority.. Quaint.
                              Last edited by Bard of DorAr; 10/28/2005 9:30am, .

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                                Originally posted by Bard of DorAr
                                Wow, and you want to speak to me about dense or attatchment to reality. The reason is simply that I'm direct, blunt, honest and remain polite and civil through it all because I am legitemately so. I earned my respect by the exact manner you say is impossible.
                                And I tried the same thing yet it failed. Get over it already.

                                You can, you should also not blindly assume what you see on the cover is all there is to it. That's just it, you are expected and logically required to make opinions. Your initial opinion of JFS is perfectly valid based on how he behaved. The problem occurs when seven or eight other people tried to explain the real person to you and you basically plugged your ears and said lalalalala a whole bunch. You don't WANT to find out you're wrong, you've made your knee jerk reaction and that's all there is to it, and anyone pointing out that there might be more to that book than it's cover are "wrong". This is a fault in you, not in us.
                                I'm not wrong. The only way to prove me wrong is for JFS to change his behavior.

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