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[Lane]

I like who phill thinks an AH is any attack on the speaker AT ALL - an ad hom would be like Asia tells me how to apply a triangle, I say his opinion of a triangle doesn't matter because he wears pink like crockett and tubbs. . .you are doing it when you attack a person IN SPITE of their logical statement. Phil CHRONICALLY overuses the ideas of ad hom and appeal to authority - which is almost the opposite, it's when you try to reinforce the logic of a statement WITH your experience IN SPITE of your statement's lack of logic... he's very fond of explaining appeal to authority to anyone who questions his qualifications. . . not to mention both fallacies only really apply if the argument can't stand on its own - they don't come into play during debate of the argument itself.

Objectivists do not understand philosophy. At all. In every single academic department over the world, they are universally vilified as the retarded little brothers of the philosophy world. Anyone who professes belief in Ayn Rand's little system is a chronic failure as a philosopher.

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I was banned from Pax for posting here. Not for anything I said at Pax. I never insulted Phil's fat out of shape lard assness unitl I was banned. After being banned I gave up on all tactfullness.

Way too many RBSDers like a closed little circle jerk where their expertise can't be questioned. Inexperianced dumbasses reinforcing other inexperianced dumbasses opinions on things they NEVER pressure test. Their ego must need the constant stroking. MA and SD are a science. They need to check out a 7th grade science text book on the scientific method. They aren't even martial artists...

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[afronaut]

Since I haven't been banned ...

"The Tactical One." TTO was the scourage of Bladeforums.com for a time and was known for the outrageous things he would claim to have done. Under different guises he would appear to tell various ridiculous stories of his exploits. In one identity, for example, he claimed to have been attacked by a mugger armed with a Spyderco Civilian, nearly losing his arm in the process. I am not certain, but I believe I started the Field Guide to Trolls in response to his posts and it grew from there over the years.

When online fantasies intersect with real life, however, people like this seldom realize in just how much danger they're placing themselves. I heard from those involved about the incident in which "TTO" agreed to meet someone from the forum in real life, at a diner or coffee shop or wherever....

This got me to thinking about the posturing that goes on -- these guys who say things like, "As soon as I can borrow Mom's car, I'm driving down and meeting those guys from PB and showing them what a double-reverse-flywheel-scissor-underthwock-submission can do!" If you're ever tempted to do this -- if you're ever thinking, "what could it hurt to go meet someone from the Internet?" -- remember Han Solo. Remember that, before Lucas revised history, Solo had no problem meeting with Greedo in the seedy diner that was the Mos Eisley cantina.

That's because he had a gun under the table.

Funniest things about this post:

1) He is hacking on people for Internet braggadoccio. Him. Phil is. Wow.
2) The submission thing, that's supposed to be a hack on us, right? I don't know if it's funnier that he couldn't think of the name of a real submission to use or that we could scare up ten guys to throwdown with any of them and, if asked, they'd all be "cleaning their pieces" that evening.
3) Han Solo. Han FUCKING Solo.

[JKDChick]

My theories are proved correct. Phil is a Sci-Fi nerd who never got a chance to go to a big convention and get geek pussy. He would have been a harmless fanfic "publisher" then, and no one would have ever heard of him.

But due to a confluence of strange events, he got into Wing Chun and the mental reprogramming that WC's often seem to undergo occurred. He came to believe he was a bad-ass, rather than a geek with a weapons fixation.

[afronaut]

Did you know that Phil posted a few days ago that he had taken up JKD?

Seriously. I wouldn't kid about this.

[JKDChick]

If you don't reproduce that post, I will find you and hurt you.

[WingChun Lawyer]

Did you know that Phil posted a few days ago that he had taken up JKD?

Seriously. I wouldn't kid about this.

Reproduce that post. Now. I command you.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:52 pm Post subject: Jeet Kune Do Reply with quote
Tonight I start cross-training in Jeet Kune Do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Jeet Kune Do Reply with quote
Phil Elmore wrote:
Tonight I start cross-training in Jeet Kune Do.


Let us know what you think of the art compared to your previous training. Hiya
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
As my JKD Sifu put it, Wing Chun is core curriculum for JKD -- I see this as the extension and evolution of my previous Wing Chun training, while it is also a supplement to my Liu Seong Gung Fu and Shanliang Li training.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
From what I understand Jeet Kun Do was merely Bruce Lee's training philosophy (use what works, throw out the rest). It wasn't a style at all. (Are you training with JKD Concepts, or some other organisation?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:22 am Post subject: Reply with quote
That's too general an interpretation, in my opinion (though it is indeed the interpretation taken by the JKD Concepts people as I understand them). Jeet Kune Do has a specific curriculum (though this varies from instructor to instructor) and is indeed a style (no matter how much Bruce Lee tried to deny that it was).

We went over some of the basics tonight. There is a distinct kickboxing influence in this curriculum. The footwork is similar to Wing Chun, but a little less traditional and a little more aggressively athletic. Punching was likewise more influenced by boxing and kickboxing -- jabs, crosses, hooks, etc., though JKD does include the vertical fist of Wing Chun.

My instructor (whose website will be established before too long) is certified under Kevin Seaman, with whom I've had the pleasure of taking a seminar locally.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:53 am Post subject: Reply with quote
I've always thought JKD was an amalgamation of expedient fighting techniques from a variety of martial arts styles, the idea being that it was direct and simple and almost anyone could do it. The way it was described to me at least.

In other words a real "assholes and elbows" style with elbow strikes, open palm strikes, low kicks, etc. I've heard that it's actually somewhat intuitive.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:19 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Phil,

Are you training with Sifu Erik Winfree? Or another syracuse JKD person?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:16 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Why? Feeling the need to run back to Bullshido and report on my progress?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: Reply with quote
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I've always thought JKD was an amalgamation of expedient fighting techniques from a variety of martial arts styles, the idea being that it was direct and simple and almost anyone could do it. The way it was described to me at least.

In other words a real "assholes and elbows" style with elbow strikes, open palm strikes, low kicks, etc. I've heard that it's actually somewhat intuitive.


It is and it isn't -- in that, yes, it incorporates material from Bruce Lee's research (fencing, boxing, etc.) but is obviously related to Wing Chun in some of the things it does and how it does them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:09 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Phil Elmore wrote:
That's too general an interpretation, in my opinion (though it is indeed the interpretation taken by the JKD Concepts people as I understand them). Jeet Kune Do has a specific curriculum (though this varies from instructor to instructor) and is indeed a style (no matter how much Bruce Lee tried to deny that it was).


Well, I think of it like this: JKD is the philosophy, and some schools teach styles that are the results of following JKD. What most people mean when they speak of JKD is a style based on Bruce Lee's teachings, yes. It is something of a conflict between what the creator wanted the term to mean and how it is used these days...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:13 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
That sounds like a fair way to look at it to me -- in much the same way as Bruce Lee insisted over and over again that he wasn't creating a style (and then went ahead and created a style). In the case of, say, JKD Concepts (again, as I understand it), I think it's fine to do what works and follow that philosophy, but calling it Jeet Kune Do seems to remove some of the meaning. Tuttle's JKD series does a good job of explaining just what sort of curriculum the style is supposed to have as a style. (They're worth picking up, incidentally.)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:57 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
On topic:

Phil, your ideas seem more in line with Original JKD/JKD Nucleus. I'm just curious about that because Guro Seaman's down line is direct for Danny Inasanto. So I'd expect that your instructor was teaching concepts style.

In the concepts camp the general root of JKD is Jun Fan Kung Fu, the modified Wing Chun that Phil is talking about. But they do treat JKD as not having a hard and set grouping of techniques. Here's what Inasanto has said on the subject:

"Jeet Kune Do. Is it Jeet Kune Do? It's Jeet Kune Do for them. BUT IT IS NOT THE JEET KUNE DO OF BRUCE LEE. The Jeet Kune Do of Bruce Lee has the Jun Fan Gung Fu material in the beginning and then from there they are supposed to grow and expand, that is Jeet Kune Do. And it is different for every individual. So I would say, if you did that; put Karate and Aikido and Tae Kwon Do and maybe wrestling, that could be your Jeet Kune Do, that's correct. But it is not the JKD as devised or created by Bruce Lee. Because when you see he had the Jun Fan which he thought were the basics, important, and then expand and find your own Jeet Kune Do."

- Guro Dan Inosanto

The Original JKD/Former JKD Nucleus/Whatevertheheck they call themselves now, takes the approach that JKD is a specific system with set techniques.

Anyway, I was just curious.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:59 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
While I've never studied JKD, I've always enjoyed Paul Vunak's view on expedient fighting, and the various "twists" he put on things. I remember reading about how to strengthen your "biting fighting" by wrapping a slap of steak in a t-shirt.

Thats just awesome.

I also liked the simplicity of the "Phase One: Distracting Strike, Phase Two: Unbalancing Flurry/Chain Punches, Phase Three: Fight Termination"

Good luck, and let us know how it goes.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:13 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
What's nice is that I'll be able to build on my Wing Chun foundation while evolving with it -- so I don't have to discard it and start over (which would be difficult to do even if I switched to an art that was very different; I would not want to discard that foundation in any case because it is comprised of sound principles).

Here are pictures from last year's Guro Kevin Seaman Seminar.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Satori wrote:
I remember reading about how to strengthen your "biting fighting" by wrapping a slap of steak in a t-shirt.

Thats just awesome.


I really hope that's a joke (you never know with martial artists :/ ).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:49 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
While I've never felt the urge to condition my biting abilities by chewing through cloth and cow meat, I don't know how you'd come up with a better simulation if you wanted to do so.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
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I really hope that's a joke (you never know with martial artists :/ ).


Actually, it isn't a joke.

I thought that too until I read it, and he has some valid points.

For one, the only time you'd bite would be in a disadvantageous grappling position against a very aggressive, bigger/stronger attacker. Even then, it is primarily used as a method to move your opponent into a different position, rather than a fight ender.

Also, getting bit is very demoralizing and triggers a panic like reflex in us.

Sure, the grappling match was going your way. You achieved a mount, and leaned forward for a front naked choke. Just when you're about to secure it, your opponent leans forward and, in one clean bite, removes your nose.

Very creepy...but hey, you never know when you'll need to do it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:31 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Re: biting.

Kelly Worden mentions it as well. Although... biting the forehead seems a really bad idea.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:49 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Early High School fistfight , before any serious training:

Huge fat guy takes me down - grappling sucks , I start to lose. His fat belly actually smothers me, panic that I can't breath - So I bit him , hard. never saw a fat guy fly straight up off the ground before.

I never forgot that little lesson.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Since this is a JKD thread, I've gotta put this in:

"Biting ... is efficient in close quarters. Don't make a plan of biting ... that is a good way to lose your teeth" -- Bruce Lee to James Franciscus in episode 2 of "Longstreet" (The Way of the Intercepting Fist)





I haven't had to bite anyone since early primary school, probably around grade 3 or 4. At the time I was being lifted off the ground, from behind, by the throat, by a guy who was known around our school for ambushing kids much smaller than him and hitting them long after they were down. I ripped a good sized chunk out of his forearm, and he dropped me fast, then he turned on one of my friends who had been trying to get him off me for the whole episode, so I hit him in the back of the head with a rock and we ran like all the demons of hell were on our tail.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
I believe the tape on Biting put out by Vunak was called "Kino Mutai". Those that are really interested could try doing a Google search.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Ahh, forget the Google search, I'm having a slow afternoon anyway...

http://www.geocities.com/jkdinstruct...ai.html?200529
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject: Your greatest weapon......... Reply with quote
" Your greatest weapon , is inside your enemies mind "- Buddha

Depending on the target , a bite can be more then just physical attack.

Biting someone's face for example will also attack one's vanity. It will also, more times then not , demoralize your enemy.

That will effect them on an emotional level. It can erode self esteem and as a by product , injure one's self confidence.

A great example would be" Holifield vs. Tyson". While it didnt happen in an S/D situation , it still effected Evander more then just physically.

The moe levels(physical, mental , emotional , and so on) your attack penetrates, the more effective you become............

Food for thought.............
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Phil Elmore wrote:
While I've never felt the urge to condition my biting abilities by chewing through cloth and cow meat, I don't know how you'd come up with a better simulation if you wanted to do so.


While biting obviously hurts, and makes the attacker think you're one crazy SOB, I can think of more useful ways to spend my training time than biting a t-shirt wrapped around a piece of dead animal.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:49 am Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't think anyone's recommending you sit there and do it for hours on end. The whole concept of "bite him if you have to!" sounds good in theory, but how many of us have actually tried to bite offensively? I imagine it would be worth trying at least a couple of times. I wouldn't devote a week to chewing up sirloin through your Hanes, or anything, but I don't see any harm in doing it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:53 am Post subject: Reply with quote
I read from the Dog Brothers to use your canine teeth. They had a whole article in Black Belt magazine. I think Fubar's example shows how it could be a decent last ditch option.

I never got around to practicing on a steak yet. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:00 am Post subject: Reply with quote
How effective do people think a well executed bite would be against a choke attempt, or even a grab?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:57 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Sweet avatar Native.
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