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  • Joey P.
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    Right. It comes from Jonestown which was named for Jim Jones himself. He was a cult leader and had his people commit mass suicide when it became clear they were getting shut down. They drank kool-aid with a little valium, chloral hydrate, cyanide and phenergan mixed in. Crazy story if you aren't familiar with it.

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  • ghost55
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    Well, uh, wow. Adjusted for inflation that place would run $530/month now. What the fuck.

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  • ermghoti
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    Originally posted by ccamara View Post
    how do this places fare into legal limits? false leading into spending money etc...there must be some legal issues there, no? Just WOW
    In the US there is no uniform standard for martial arts training, so there would be a very high bar set for a legal action to be successful against a school. There'd have to be gross negligence resulting in a training injury, breach of contract, or fraudulent representation of credentials. The last would be the most unlikely to prevail, as there are so few organizations with a structure recognized officially. Just teaching useless nonsense and claiming it is awesome will not get anyone in trouble; it's like Olive Garden claiming they have good food.

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  • ccamara
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    how do this places fare into legal limits? false leading into spending money etc...there must be some legal issues there, no? Just WOW

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  • Sam Browning
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    West Wind was probably the most expensive school chain we ever found. And while they were not a scientology level cult, based on their sales pitch there was some manipulation going on. There are percentage wise a small number of schools like west wind out there but they do exist.

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  • ccamara
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    I am from Spain and despite being some places I wouldn't consider good schools I don't think something even similar to this exits here...I just can't believe it!! This is surreal. Is there many places like this in the States? This was a great post, thanks for sharing the experience...just unbelievable...when I saw that website...that fucking picture...I am still in awe!!those fucking Gis with a million logos on them...whats wrong with this people? And the prices???WTF!

    Only explanation I find is this people pay for this roleplaying thing, where they live in a parallel reality that works for them...if everyone involved believes it then its real for them I guess. As long as no one gets out f character or gets to test their abilities for real...it must work. How sad. I specially feel for the kids that get trapped into that shit...

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  • Joey P.
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    Originally posted by Christmas Spirit View Post
    That picture proves without a doubt they are the true hardcore MaSteRz of kuNg FOO! Just looking at it fills me with rspekt and a sense of awe. Nothing they can charge would be too much to sit at their feet under that table.

    The Wisbom and Chi radiates from them all, it iz over whelming!

    I must go do some forms to calm down.

    ( you didn't add much to the conversation but I will allow the necro )
    Thank you sifu! Extra incense will be lit at the alter in your honor!

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  • BackFistMonkey
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    Originally posted by Joey P. View Post
    Dear God it is still an active website. The school looks alright on the inside but man, that first picture on the site haha. They are still charging 200-375 a month. Psychopaths.
    That picture proves without a doubt they are the true hardcore MaSteRz of kuNg FOO! Just looking at it fills me with rspekt and a sense of awe. Nothing they can charge would be too much to sit at their feet under that table.

    The Wisbom and Chi radiates from them all, it iz over whelming!

    I must go do some forms to calm down.

    ( you didn't add much to the conversation but I will allow the necro )

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  • Joey P.
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    Originally posted by CrashStitches View Post
    Dear God it is still an active website. The school looks alright on the inside but man, that first picture on the site haha. They are still charging 200-375 a month. Psychopaths.

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  • Sam Browning
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    It was, information on West Wind is always welcome.

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  • Bebe
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    I hate to necrobump this thread, but I haven't been here in a while and did want to respond to the questions in the above thread.

    I trained at West Wind for four years. I will say that the form I had drilled into me there (with WAAAAY to many moves, variations, and katas) has withstood the test of time over 25 years and four different styles/arts. The muscle memory of that kind of ridiculous drilling really did work for the form and art of any style of traditional MA.

    I did not, however, learn to spar, much less fight. I trained in Tae Kwon Do next (laugh your and my ass off) for a couple of years, then switched to Okinawan Shorin-Ryu for about six years. I learned how to spar there, and my form in kata competition was really, really good because of my years at West Wind.

    I trained then at an "MMA" dojo, mostly Kenpo on the traditional side (which I have a black belt in), and Jiu-Jitsu/Judo/Muay Thai etc. on the MMA side. Again, my form kicked ass, but I will also say that the strength and muscle memory gained from the very traditional drilling at West Wind continue to serve me in sparring and less holds barred fighting.

    I am a woman, and I fight against men. My speed and form are commented upon often as a plus when we are still on our feet, and my strength and grips are noted as well on the ground.

    That said, West Wind is a cult now, and I would NEVER recommend them to anyone.

    Hope it was reasonable to necro this thread. Plus, everyone should read this thread. EVERYONE.

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  • shotokanbjj
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    i checked out their website, the costumes are top notch lol.

    Know what i like about their system? The fact that they give an absurdly detailed review of what you'll have to do in order to get each new belt. Know what i don't like? Everything else.

    What in the god damned fuck does learning 11, ELEVEN new kata at once have to do with your ability to fight? What does that do to make you a competent martial artist? Absofuckinglutely nothing.

    When you're going for black, you have to "make your own katas"? That sounds like a fancy way of saying "make something up, and we're going to steal it and add it to the required curriculum after you do".

    What i'm curious about is, with something along the lines of 46 kicks, 120 self defense techniques, and 30 kata (from their website) needed to get to first degree brown, how proficient are the students at actually applying any of these? Not very apparently, since they don't actually spar.

    Going from shotokan (where we rarely sparred) to boxing was an eye opening experience, because i quickly found out which of my techniques actually worked, and which didn't, and it made me sad that maybe 10% of them were actually useful, but it is what it is. I bet any student of WW put up against an equally trained student of boxing, MT, or hell even REAL karate would quickly find 95% of the crap they waste their time on isn't useful at all.

    Once i have my own place to train students, i fully intend on making it known that while the style is going to focus on shotokan karate, that it's primarily an ART, not a self defense system, not a "i can train this and kick the shit out of anyone" combat method, it's an ART. The "fighting" aspects will come from the few things i've found actually useful from karate, and the rest from boxing, muay thai and jiu jitsu lol.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with teaching 9053180580 kata and techniques to your students, so long as you make sure they understand that's what it is, but when you label it as a lethal self defense style, when it clearly isn't, that's when bullshido is called, and i think that's exactly what west wind is, a bunch of bullshido.

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  • patfromlogan
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    Originally posted by JohnnyCache View Post
    Thanks for the useless necro-post, newb
    Awe shit, this should always be To The Top! One of the very best threads, should be required reading.

    I hope that the West Wind videos on this link are watched. There's even some sparring in the middle right one (Head Instructor Competition). I've failed at copying them.
    http://www.westwindschools.org/#/Martial-Arts/Archives/


    and check out the costumes!!! LARP! LARP! http://www.westwindschools.org/
    Last edited by patfromlogan; 3/18/2012 3:27pm, .

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