Looking for ex Jung SuWon / Tae Yun Kim students (Part 4)

[kittyki]

I used the wrong initials again. JW was not the kid, and he's not on here, but it is not important who that was anyway. Like FS said, it is not about US but about TYK.

[Failed Student]

And FS, I was being polite about the Willie Brown thing. She said penis.

What an outrageous thing to say in public - but then again, TYK knows no bounds, no parameters are too strict to rein her in. Too bad Willie didn't whip out his willy to show her how it was doing.........

Kittyki - Best not to insult this site by calling it a crapfest or to denigrate it in any other way - the Bullshido masters will come down hard on you. And please, let us be civil to each other - or at least those of us who bravely post of their experiences. As we all have been there and have come out of there a little worse for the wear, let's heal together, not tear at each other over assumed insults.

TYK may by now be a toothless tiger, but even those still have claws. Just speak the truth, only post what you can attest to under oath, and you'll be fine. Just because her passel of lawyers aren't knocking at your door - or mine - doesn't necessarily mean they aren't aware of what is going on here. Like the precision strike against Osama, they may be gathering the evidence.

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cole fortior gladio

[kittyki]

And FS, I was being polite about the Willie Brown thing. She said penis.

[kittyki]

And Bemused, I too am stating factual events, such as the fashion show...as editorial opinion. That way it is my point of view of events, and yes, they would be somewhat confused since we were all drinking the same spiked punch, so to speak.

I don't know why it's so hard for others to accept kittyki, a former black belt of TYK's, and that I clearly know some things and see it differently than others. Too bad there are so few of us here anymore.

[kittyki]

Let's see, there are at least TWO JWs, two JH's, several AG's and the like, who can keep track.

[kittyki]

Oooh...and another thing, please correct me on this. Who was it who TYK named JO after? That's all the other post was about. Besides, Clare, TYK knowns JDMS was on here, so it doesn't matter. I didn't out anyone. This entire board has been common knowledge to TYK's trolls since 2007. They know who I am since 2010, and know how they found out? Go ahead, tell them! That's right. YOU outed me. But don't worry. I am just being accurate.

[kittyki]

Hello Clare: Good to read from you again! Seems you only come out when you think you're being dissed nowadays. If you had actually READ my post correctly you would have seen that everyone here is outed, long about by SAK, and I would never out you or your mom. Bemused it right, There are TWO people with those initials. If you hadn't been so defensive you would have realized. And no, gang, TYK's lawyers could care less about us. If they did, they would have been to my house by now asking me to cease an desist, like those trolls who hacked my freakking MySpace and made it look like I was an ass to Chica and Clare. I know full well it was JW that looked at porn (not the older JW) but you were THERE. That's all I meant. I was ALSO there. I just didn't want to out younger JW since he was not on this board. HAD year READ my post as sarcastic and not directed at you in any way, you would have realized. I merely quoted you, and one your Mom, as CREDIBLE WITNESSES. Nothing more. Calling me out? Really? What have you contributed to this crapfest of a site since like 2009? I was dishing it out when you were in diapers, young Padawan.

What do you want me to admit to? Lying? About what? I was there! The audacity of the young these days. Why would I lie about having WITNESSED events.

And Ryanbeld WAS at the Manayan thing. Ask him. I'm not sure if he was paying much attention to them though.

Sure, you'd rather not have anyone on your side, even when I tried to give you advice on MySpace some time ago, and then tried to slip you info via the Jane site in 2010, which you flatly rejected. So what. Your call.

I was in the older Yong Sa before you, so you and Chica and Ryan and the like were like little sisters and brothers. I therefore cannot be an enemy. It is not right. I would NEVER overtly diss you. And besides, Shadow knows where I am, and so does Bemused.

Save your impetuous rage fits for TYK, young padawan. I will not put up with it. But I am not your parent and would not try to be. Now that you're an adult, act like one just a little.

I would never diss your Mom. I thought she was cool. She unfortunately was in COL with you. I know I wasn't in former COL but that's because my parents were smart, and I discerning, and we decided I should not be in COL.

We've all been through TYK's crapstorm of fudge in various colors and constitutions. You got the full blown chunks of diarheah. I may have occasionally got a stinky fart or even a turd.

I was THERE when they started ripping on Cultmaster and this site in class! Where were you? Oh, that's right. You escaped by then. Well good for you. I applaud thework you've done here. It is time for you to contribute to TYK's further fall from grace, not bitching at the very people who were watching all those years ago. I wasn't officially on here until 2009, but I knew about it. I didn't sabotage it either. I knew of Cultmaster. I thought those intrsutors were wasting time trying to close it down.

Just because I left in early 2007 doesn't mean I fell off the map. I was still in the know until 09 and until someone from here outed ME to MBF in 2010 I was on his good graces. Well, I can't go back and fix that now.

But still TYK is not after me and never will be.

[Failed Student]

But since we're on the subject of calling someone out Clarehoare et al -

Back in the day of the Software Group in Vermont, SHS was trying to get me entrapped into this entity. He told me that they needed "x" number of dollars to buy computers, and then a few days later, he changed his story to say that they needed the money for something else. When I told him about that change, he said that he "felt I would be more comfortable" with the second explanation. So in effect, SHS is a liar, and expresses no guilt about it. Anything to serve his master....

You have no idea how every day I thank whatever higher power there is that I did not succumb to this nonsense SHS spewed. He even told me that if I joined the Software Group, give them my money, that "they would take care of me". I now think the way they would have taken care of me would be to take my money and then throw me out in the street. If now SHS and his master find themselves in financial difficulties, I will regard this as karmic justice.

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denique veritas cognosci

[Failed Student]

Bemused - apparently you and I posted simultaneously.

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sit primum ad sanitatem

[Failed Student]

Clarehoare -
all of us have been through trauma, yourself included. This is a place to share our experiences, and in so doing, heal. I am certain Kittyki is not out to call out anyone now disassociated from the cult, and inaccuracies of time, place, and person are bound to happen with the passage of time.
I make these comments in order to keep peace. I am certain I may too have upset some in my posts.
Remember that TYK likes nothing better than to divide and conquer. Deny her that.

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mors silentio

[bemused]

Hi Clarehoare,

I believe Kittyki confused your mom with another student as well, and this other student (Failed Student) corrected him.

Yes, Kittyki has overreached, but I think this person wants to contribute to the discussion and to learn more about what happened. By all means correct Kittyki's misperceptions and misstatements.

I don't think you need to get defensive. My impression of Kittyki is that he's a bit socially awkward but means no harm toward anyone.

Hi Kittyki,

Try not to make assumptions without asking questions first. And it would serve your purpose better if you focused on your own firsthand experience.

Kimmie's lawyers read this, I'm sure. Because of this, I'm careful not to say anything factual that I can't back up, and to make it clear when I'm stating an opinion. I would recommend that you do the same.

[clarehoare]

Kittyki.. No one appreciates being called out...

1) I was not the student who kim lambasted at jsw for looking at porn... gay porn as i recall... Not me.. you have me confused with another student...

2) stop calling out my mother...

That is all... in the mean time quit running your mouth about things you were never a party to.

[bemused]

Kimmie has this need to take her audience with her everywhere. Most of the time it's not enough just to take one or two assistants. Perhaps she doesn't really trust that people outside her inner circle will admire her properly unless her own acolytes show them how. She wants the equivalent of cheerleaders, or a claque in an opera audience.

Her accommodations are always better than those of her followers, partly because of her sense of entitlement and partly because the class fees she charges leave her followers broke. And she thinks she's being generous by "allowing" people to go with her.

She loves it when she can attract attention from strangers, and she's not too picky. When she was younger, she could do it with her looks. Now she does it by looking over-the-top flashy. In places like Instabul, signs of wealth get attention. Here, she has to settle for brazen tackiness.

[Failed Student]

Talk about crazy stuff Kittyki -

Your comment about TYK asking Willie Brown about his "junk" reminds me of the time we went to Florida for a tournament sponsored by the master TYK knew there. On the plane trip back, she saw an older gentleman and struck up a conversation with him - asked him how old he was (60) and then flattered him, saying how young he looked. She then had him pose for a picture with her and a few of her senior students. He did look a bit dumbfounded but went along with it anyway.

Also on that trip back, MBF stood at the front aisle of the plane and announced to everyone that we had just been to a tournament. Yeah, he got some applause, but I think it took a lot of nerve to impose oneself on a captive audience like that, but that seems to be their modus.

On another occasion, at one of the testings at her dojang, TYK got some 85 or so year old woman off the street to come in and watch the testing as a guest. Poor dear, she was incontinent of urine and a bit daft in the head, but anyway.........

We also went to a tournament in Connecticut, and TYK and I shared a real hotel room. MBF and DP were going to sneak in and sleep there too. I do have a sense of honesty, and so I paid for a room for them as well as my own. I do not believe in cheating...and I believe Integrity is one of the tenets of the martial arts code of honor. (CIPSI) All the other students slept in sleeping bags on the floor of a local dojang - about 50 in all - and one bathroom. Well, at least they could have a buffet breakfast at the hotel we were staying at.

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non tacebo

[bemused]

Failed Student, I have some Latin for you:

Ubi dubium, ibi libertas.

Where there is doubt, there is freedom.