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    Originally posted by Petter View Post
    notBBC.
    I did not intend to infer a rise in the number of shootings, though the BBC article's data only goes back to the early nineties, specifically 92, the article does not go far enough back for the statistics to truly be valid. How many gun deaths in the eighties? seventies? fifties?

    Irregardless, the one CRITICAL point that needs to be made is up until the early nineties fights did not occur in school. It was considered uncouth, and so the fights that did occur occurred off school grounds.

    Add to this the decline in hunting and you see a fairly clear picture for the rise in gun violence.

    Let me elaborate, people hunt less, but gun ownership rates don't decrease. With the lack of hunting/shooting sports the respect and understanding of a firearm as a weapon diminishes.

    Media ratings wars make sure that the most sensationalized and graphic violence is splashed all over the T.V. night after night. "Home Defense" firearms purchases rise, though the crime victimization surveys and uniform crime report show no significant rise in violent incidents. What does this lead to? A large number of firearms in the hands of people who do not respect them.

    Fast forward a few years. This new generation has even less understanding of a firearm as a weapon. They also lack any healthy outlet for their aggression, so when they get mad, and it does happen, they have no way to handle it, no understanding of it. So they do the only thing they have been shown to do. They shoot something, they stab someone, they beat people with crowbars, hammers, etc. etc. etc. Is it a country wide phenomenon? No. But it's a harbinger of a very dangerous fact.

    It's not going to get better. Gun control isn't going to help. We need to teach our children to fight, to settle their differences in a non-lethal fashion. There will always be cases of extreme violence. But I feel that only way to reduce it is to completely change the way we report it, the way we teach our children, the way we handle the development of our youth.

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      Originally posted by CoffeeFan View Post
      Anyone watch the 3rd episode? The bully on it was just a punk who picks on guys smaller then himself for an ego boost....
      That's most bullies. Sadly I can speak from experience.

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        what channel/day is this on?!?!?!

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          Originally posted by Petter View Post
          notBBC.

          Knowledge
          is power.

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            Originally posted by 3moose1 View Post
            what channel/day is this on?!?!?!
            The internet channel any damn day you want
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              Originally posted by ignatzami View Post
              I agree, in fact I think we have taken the exact opposite course to what we should have done.

              Back when boxing was taught in schools and every boy learned at least the basics by the time he was a teenager bullies got dealt with in a rather predictable fashion, people squared up, threw leather, went home. End of story.

              It seems idyllic but I really think it's whats missing in most American schools, we as a society and largely as a people need to re-embrace violence. We need to teach our kids to fight in a controlled environment and go home. Too many kids, brought up on the mantra that violence is bad, simply do not have a way, and outlet, to handle aggression. Lacking this, they turn to extreme ends of the spectrum, see the school shootings in the past years.

              Obviously it's not a catch all, but I would rather see my future children deal with the inevitable fights in a controlled environment and not see them deal with guns, knives, and the like.

              I say we train those who are bullied, and then I would wager a fare sum the number of incidents of bullying would drop precipitously.
              The only problem with that is kids don't fight anymore they are all pussies there are one or two of us left who will fight like men but most kids you fight will just pull a gun or a knife on you or just call over their buddies and jump you with 4 to 6 other people and if for some reason they actually fight you with out one of the three things I listed and you win they will come back the next day with one of the three things I listed or all three of them. Best way to deal with a fight these days is just walk away if you can. I like your idea of having something like boxing in school just because it would make school more interesting but ultimately kids would still bring guns and knives to school just in case someone beats them so they can get revenge.

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                I completely agree with IGN. Scholastic boxing = fewer Columbine massacres. To those questioning the lack of school shootings in the past let me give my own testimony. I grew up in a big, depressed city (Boston) in the 70's. There were school stabbings but no school shootings. Kids, for one thing, had virtually no access to anything beyond a "Saturday Night Special"/Zip gun, which is a one-shot dealie. Nobody hunted multiple victims inside schools. Nobody. Gangs fought after school or at night. Violence inside schools was spontaneuous, not planned.

                Rev.jc.'s program for teaching boxing, wrestling (+ subs) to kids as a form of scholastic MMA is exactly what our society needs to turn back the tide of ironic violence that is changing the face of our country.
                Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


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                In De Janerio, in blackest night,
                Luta Livre flees the fight,
                Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
                Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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                  Originally posted by Hesperus View Post
                  Knowledge is power.
                  claim to be comprehensive. The fact that the Wikipedia list is heavily slanted toward recent shootings may

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                    Originally posted by Petter View Post
                    claim to be comprehensive. The fact that the Wikipedia list is heavily slanted toward recent shootings may
                    What good is a "claim of comprehensiveness"? No good at all. I've never seen a peer reviewed publication, or any other publication which has made such a claim in good faith.

                    And you are wrong about the absence of selection criteria, they're right there at the top of the page:

                    These are attacks that have occurred on school property or related primarily to school issues/events. A broad definition of the word attacks is used for this list so as to include public attacks or one's self (suicide)
                    So unless you can point out specific events that are missing from the list, I would say your criticism of it is entirely baseless.

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                      Originally posted by TxSanshou View Post
                      The only problem with that is kids don't fight anymore they are all pussies there are one or two of us left who will fight like men but most kids you fight will just pull a gun or a knife on you or just call over their buddies and jump you with 4 to 6 other people and if for some reason they actually fight you with out one of the three things I listed and you win they will come back the next day with one of the three things I listed or all three of them. Best way to deal with a fight these days is just walk away if you can. I like your idea of having something like boxing in school just because it would make school more interesting but ultimately kids would still bring guns and knives to school just in case someone beats them so they can get revenge.
                      In the current social climate, maybe. But we aim to change the current climate. What I'm suggesting is a long term societal re-wiring of the way children, and adults, look at violence.

                      I'm suggesting we do everything in our power to make sure that kids, and adults, solve disputes either a) verbally, or failing that b) in a controlled non-lethal sporting environment.

                      If a student, or adult, decides to take matters into their own hands their punishment should be swift, and forceful. Given a generation you would see a drastic shift in the way we as a society view violence.

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                        Originally posted by BSDaemon View Post
                        What good is a "claim of comprehensiveness"? No good at all. I've never seen a peer reviewed publication, or any other publication which has made such a claim in good faith.
                        assumemust attempt to find representative samples, else they cannot find trends.

                        And you are wrong about the absence of selection criteria
                        if anycould simply correspond to a trend in media attention.

                        So unless you can point out specific events that are missing from the list, I would say your criticism of it is entirely baseless.

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                          Inter-scholastic Full Contact Stickfighting.

                          Problem solved.
                          Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


                          KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

                          In De Janerio, in blackest night,
                          Luta Livre flees the fight,
                          Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
                          Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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                            I think you guys are getting nostalgic over a past which never existed. Stop bleeding from your hearts and excuse violence for the sake of violence.

                            School violence in many shapes and forms have existed for centuries, either in psychological abuse, physical abuse, or in ways that approach manslaughter. Either kids brings knives to school and stab schoolmates, or torment them with demeaning words and exclusion, etc.


                            The problem here lies in the ease which anyone can find firearms, and the refusal of school authorities to deal with the problem in an effective way. It also lies with the massive media coverage of these past massacres, which I think have a bit of a trend effect. These bullied kids want attention, and want their voice to be heard. A voice which the dominant ideology (IM A MANLY MAN RAWR) tends to shut out because you know, America is for those who boast about being strong and all that bullshit.

                            Bringing a firearm to school and wrecking the place is a result of bullying, not a cause thereof.

                            Therefore, it is a false dichotomy to say that more boxing = less bullying. because a)there is no proof for that. b)it can be either a case of a victim gaining a weapon to fight back or giving the bully better weapons with which to torment. The repercussions of that are obvious.

                            In my opinion, if a kid wants to learn to box, he can go to a boxing gym. If he wants to learn judo, go to a judo school. Sports are great, but I wouldn't trust the current school administration to handle basic literacy, so I would never trust them with potentially lethal sports.
                            Last edited by Munacra; 4/23/2009 3:08pm, .

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                              And I know you all almost died of an apoplexy when I mentioned gun control in passing. Get over it.

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                                Originally posted by Munacra View Post
                                I think you guys are getting nostalgic over a past which never existed. Stop bleeding from your hearts and excuse violence for the sake of violence.

                                School violence in many shapes and forms have existed for centuries, either in psychological abuse, physical abuse, or in ways that approach manslaughter. Either kids brings knives to school and stab schoolmates, or torment them with demeaning words and exclusion, etc.
                                This is true, but just because it always has been does not mean that it always has to be. Just because kids bully, should not excuse us from addressing bullying.

                                Originally posted by Munacra View Post
                                The problem here lies in the ease which anyone can find firearms, and the refusal of school authorities to deal with the problem in an effective way. It also lies with the massive media coverage of these past massacres, which I think have a bit of a trend effect. These bullied kids want attention, and want their voice to be heard. A voice which the dominant ideology (IM A MANLY MAN RAWR) tends to shut out because you know, America is for those who boast about being strong and all that bullshit.
                                See, I disagree. Look at Canada, a country with almost identical gun possession rates, yet with next to no gun related school violence. I simply refuse to believe that ease of acquisition equates to violence. I had ready access to firearms my entire childhood, yet I never shot anyone.

                                I agree that the media coverage encourages copy-cats, but in the same vein the problem is systematic, copy cats do not excuse us from dealing with the issues.

                                Originally posted by Munacra View Post
                                Bringing a firearm to school and wrecking the place is a result of bullying, not a cause thereof.

                                Therefore, it is a false dichotomy to say that more boxing = less bullying. because a)there is no proof for that. b)it can be either a case of a victim gaining a weapon to fight back or giving the bully better weapons with which to torment. The repercussions of that are obvious.
                                See, I think your missing the point. I'm not saying more boxing -> less bullying. Though I could have phrased things better, I'm saying the confidence and self possession gained through rigorous physical exercise -> less bullying. Boxing, Wrestling, Judo, all are good options because they instill in the practitioner a sense of self.

                                Originally posted by Munacra View Post
                                In my opinion, if a kid wants to learn to box, he can go to a boxing gym. If he wants to learn judo, go to a judo school. Sports are great, but I wouldn't trust the current school administration to handle basic literacy, so I would never trust them with potentially lethal sports.
                                But again, just because the incumbent administration can't be trusted to tie it's own shoes, why should we not take steps to make schools a better place?

                                Originally posted by Munacra View Post
                                And I know you all almost died of an apoplexy when I mentioned gun control in passing. Get over it.
                                I didn't. But I do think gun control is the easy way out. I can point to a dozen studies that say less guns equate to more crime. If you want to reduce gun violence increase gun education. Allow students to carry concealed in college, allow faculty to carry concealed in schools, make it as much a part of gym class as baseball and soccer, teach kids to respect guns and they stop being a toy.

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