TUF Episode 11/7/07 Thread And Pie

[bobyclumsyninja]

You're absolutely right about the lack of focus and dedication in general, but I don't really think doing somebody a favor and waking them up in the morning is asking too much, or detracts in any way from your ability to fight them later on if need be. Some people just have trouble waking up without alarm clocks.

I know that, but George is right, he's not their mother. They aren't asking for a 7 o'clock...they want up at ten or eleven....cos they're drinking at night??? I dunno...I have to be smashed to not get up before 10.

He might have to fight them...why get all lovey dovey? These guys got a break by getting on the show....they just seem a little entitled. How many good fighters aren't on there, and would give their right nut for a shot at the ufc?

That's like me taking lessons from BB King, and getting mad because he won't give me a pick. What the fuck would I be in the game for, not being ready for the basics...that's how I feel about the wakeups.

It's the principle of the thing. I think they want to party in the mansion...what a waste of talent some of these guys are.

[El Neko]

This is from Hughes blog:

Me only having two guys, would have meant that I would have to put two of my own guys together

Well, the first thing that I see is is the whole "I don't think is fair", I don't think fair or unfair plays much here, he doesn't have a call on the quarter finals, he should STFU and hope that Serra doesn't try to fuck him up.

The second thing caught my eye just because I don't understand Hughes logic, how does he get to that conclusion?

[El Neko]

I know that, but George is right, he's not their mother. They aren't asking for a 7 o'clock...they want up at ten or eleven....cos they're drinking at night??? I dunno...I have to be smashed to not get up before 10.

He might have to fight them...why get all lovey dovey? These guys got a break by getting on the show....they just seem a little entitled. How many good fighters aren't on there, and would give their right nut for a shot at the ufc?

That's like me taking lessons from BB King, and getting mad because he won't give me a pick. What the fuck would I be in the game for, not being ready for the basics...that's how I feel about the wakeups.

It's the principle of the thing. I think they want to party in the mansion...what a waste of talent some of these guys are.

Although I understand the logic, they're still a team, you expect your team mate to have your back, if he's into the whole "I'm my own man, and this is not a team sport", where do we draw the line?

I mean, is it ok to let you go to the gym and make you sit on the corner because nobody is going to help you in training because then you get better, and that would be bad for me later on when I might have to fight you, this is not a team sport, etc?

[Kintanon]

There are 8 guys in the quarter-finals, No matter WHAT happens two of Serra's guys are going to have to fight each other. So Hughes is just being stupid again.

[bobyclumsyninja]

I mean, is it ok to let you go to the gym and make you sit on the corner because nobody is going to help you in training because then you get better, and that would be bad for me later on when I might have to fight you, this is not a team sport, etc?

It is a team show....but it's not a team sport. Fighting is one on one...and each fighter carries his own career. Some of those guys want the show more than the fights, or at least, they seem to act as though that's true. George is in there in training...in the gym...and does his own suplemental training outside....he's not denying them access to him within the show. But if he's not into getting grown men up out of bed...I don't fault him.

If I thought it likely I was going to be fighting someone....I wouldn't be babying them...it's damaging to a fighter's spirit, because at the end of the day, they are going to try to take each other's heads off in the cage. Too much of a mindfuck already with the house, without any Brady Bunch stuff on top of it.

George was able to chill and eat his breakfast happily in front of JRock, because he's not encumbered with emotional attatchments to the men he'll most likely have to try to smash into the land of Nod. He's got the mentality to be a pro fighter...I'm not sure about some of the others.

[El Neko]

Like I said, I understand the point, and probably under similar circumstances, I'll end up being and asshole too, but my question is, where do you draw the line on what's ok and what is detrimental to my future?

I mean, you won't wake your team mates up, but you will help them on the gym? what are u accomplishing by doing this? besides pissing them all off, the other part of this is that you're setting yourself up to being the outcast (your opponents hate you, but your team mates REAAAAAALLY hate you), great for airtime, but from the strategic point of view, probably not the best thing to have everybody in the house gunning for you to get out of the island.

I understand that he's taking care of his interest, but I don't know if he's being effective or simply screwing himself up, he already set himself up to be one of the people to beat in the house, and he proved that he's good, but is he Danzig good?

EDIT

By the way, the last paragraph has nothing to do with anything, I was just wondering and threw it out there

[bobyclumsyninja]

I see it as: the first round is a team sport...the quarterfinals take it to individual competition.

Their coaches do train them together...but they are measuring each other up also (the winners at least)...and preparing. Unless we have another epic final, there's only one contract up for grabs.

Between: Joey,Jrock,WP, whatshisname, and matt Huges all crying or complaining, come to Jesus, I'm queen Esther, we're just doing this, etc etc it's a rather sensitive season this year. It's refreshing for me to see at least a few of them focussed and determined.

It's a bit sideways to have them all live together anyway...good tv, bad training.

[kiai_killer]

It was indeed in position to finish it. You are, however, wrong that it is necessarily easy to finish. Red certainly showed grit in fighting it instead of taping and by keeping WM from getting his rear hand behind the head. This combined with the blood and sweat and finishing an opponent who quite clearly you're going to have to put to sleep isn't so easy.

I agree that getting into position where the choke's locked in is tough, especially with gloves on, blood, sweat, etc. but when I see someone get that grip set I think a tap/choke out is imminent. It looked like the choking equivalent of a fully-outstreched armbar-- all that's left is to apply the technique. To me it looked like WM did and Red tapped.

[Goju - Joe]

I think for a tap to count it should to be 3 taps in a row. The ref did a good job and didn't pounce on that 1 possible tap.

[Abusivemelon]

I really want Mac vs George - excellent fight (will show just how good Mac is) + Hughes reaction will be hilarious.

[Kung-Fu Joe]

I really want Mac vs George - excellent fight (will show just how good Mac is) + Hughes reaction will be hilarious.

You know what I would love? If, after all Hughes' bitching about possibly putting Mac and Tommy together, Serra doesn't-- and both of 'em are eliminated in the quarterfinals.

That'd make my friggin' day.

--Joe

[bobyclumsyninja]

George and Mac...that would be a great fight. I'd go with George, but the fight going the distance. That would be bold on Serra's part....

I'd much rather see Tommy fight Mac.....just to twist the blade a little...Huges needs deflating a bit...perhaps he'll stop being a dick if he's down to one fighter. He's gotta have some good coaching skills, if he'd just stop being so egocentric.

[Gypsy Jazz]

I have no idea about potential matches set up, but I do think that there's going to be some team swapping going on to add to the drama. The only thing I have a good inkling on is that Dorian is going to Serra since Serra has posted that he's training at his school now. I'd expect they even it out so it's 4 and 4 per team.

I think Mac vs George is going to be put off until the finals or semis.

[Zaii]

I know that, but George is right, he's not their mother. They aren't asking for a 7 o'clock...they want up at ten or eleven....cos they're drinking at night??? I dunno...I have to be smashed to not get up before 10.

He might have to fight them...why get all lovey dovey? These guys got a break by getting on the show....they just seem a little entitled. How many good fighters aren't on there, and would give their right nut for a shot at the ufc?

That's like me taking lessons from BB King, and getting mad because he won't give me a pick. What the fuck would I be in the game for, not being ready for the basics...that's how I feel about the wakeups.

It's the principle of the thing. I think they want to party in the mansion...what a waste of talent some of these guys are.

As I said before, I agree with you about the general lack of dedication and discipline present on the show, but still I don't see how taking five seconds in the morning to wake your team mates up is that big of a deal. Another thing is that when George was confronted about it, he immediately flipped the fuck out, got defensive and abrasive, for really no good reason. I can understand the frustration if it's in relation to the people around him not taking the opportunity to be on the show seriously, but it doesn't entitle him to be outright disrespectful when someone makes a respectful request, in my opinion.

As far as the drinking goes, I must have missed that episode/clip, because I didn't track that at all, though I certainly think drinking as a fighter is counterproductive in general.

[NoMan]

Another thing is that when George was confronted about it, he immediately flipped the fuck out, got defensive and abrasive, for really no good reason.

As far as the drinking goes, I must have missed that episode/clip, because I didn't track that at all, though I certainly think drinking as a fighter is counterproductive in general.

From what everyone has said, the fighters are encouraged to drink. E.g. Dan Lauzon couldn't get on the show because he's too young to drink. Drinking = stupid behavior = mandrama = ratings. Trapped in a house, with nothing to do, with people you don't know and may have to end up fighting, and your only form of entertainment is either to become the best damn pool player in the world or drink. Or be creative with foot puppets from last season or milk jug faces this season and have parodies.

I think George flipped out because he knows he's being a dick. He could easily wake people up, he was asked to do it once, (or maybe more than that, I don't know how far back it goes), and he simply doesn't do it. Yeah, he doesn't have to, but he still should. In the same manner, the smartest strategy is to coast into the finals by picking the easiest fights. Yet doing that makes you a douche. People get mad like Rudebaeger, (whatever fat boys name is), when he got called out on it. When your deliberately trying to exploit the system, you don't want people to tell you about it.