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    A boxing critic's thoughts on MMA...

    I came across this when I was reading the news earlier today.

    http://sport.monstersandcritics.com/..._from_ringside

    "I sat in front of the TV the other night, stopped flicking when I came to Spike, and decided I'd finally give the violent phenomenon known as 'ultimate fighting,' or whatever it's called...a legitimate chance to impress me.
    The referee signaled for the first five-minute round to begin, and the combatants - a short, solidly built dark-haired guy and a tall, pale shaven- skulled fellow - stepped toward each other with what seemed to be bad intentions.
    So I sat up, grabbed hold of my cherry-flavored Coke Zero and anticipated tumult.
    Problem is now, a full 36 or so hours later...I'm still waiting for the payoff.
    Rather than the torrent of punches, kicks and body slams promised by breathless radio spots and other over-the-top ads for the upcoming 'UFC 27,397' on pay-per-view, my 10-minute or so viewing stint was much more indicative of gay hotel porn.
    After a brief hand-to-hand engagement in center octagon, the bald-headed fighter fell voluntarily to his back, lifted his knees to his chest and seemingly waited for his foe to dive headlong on top of him for a drawn-out session of ineffectual on-canvas writhing.
    And while I'm sure what seemed like a submissive acceptance of his, errrr... opponent...was in reality a deft strategic move by a highly trained athlete, neither it nor the repetitive scrum that followed left me believing this 'sport' was actually the 'next best thing.'
    If anything, by the time I went back to 'Miami Ink' at 10, I was sure boxing was safe.
    Though a high-profile fighter like Kermit Cintron might one day return to wrestling roots and become the first to try crossover success, until then it's an 'establishment/wannabe' comparison reminiscent of the short-lived NFL/XFL football debate of 2001.
    When matched up with a similarly stationary and neck-challenged competitor, the elite-level players in UFC have a perfect chance to flex peaked muscles and look menacing in the short-burst, rough-and-tumble world of three-and five-round bouts.
    Put them in with athletes named Mayweather, Klitschko or Pacquiao, however, and it'd be difficult to tell which was more painful to the UFCers...the untrammeled flow of leather to the face or the gasping ignominy of spent lungs and dragging tongues in the 'championship rounds.'
    From 'He Hate Me' to 'He Whipped Me' in 12 three-minute steps.
    Mean time, the latest fight to 'save' boxing meant different things to different people."


    The article goes on, but that's it as far as MMA is concerned. Until a few weeks ago, I'd thought this MMA vs. boxing crap had gone away in like 1995. Until today I'd thought it only really existed in the minds of forum-trolls. Does the mainstream public actually believe this stuff, or is it something that's just being hyped up by the boxing community to boost sales?

    #2
    What else would you expect from a guy that drinks cherry flavored coke zero? :gay:

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      #3
      cherry flavoured coke zero? such an abomination exists?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Alex
        cherry flavoured coke zero? such an abomination exists?
        Yes it does, and it's right next to the regular Coke Zero at the store.

        Ah, everyone knows any zero-calorie soda that doesn't taste like shit is gone from shelves ASAP.

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          #5
          Anyone who drinks a diet soda of any type is :gay:. It's like drinking non-alcoholic beer.

          Now, just consider the intelligence of this critic. He equated grappling with gay porn. He's fucking retarded, and so is the majority of people out there. Don't forget that ever; we live in a world of retards.

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            #6
            As if boxing doesn't have enough problems with ignorance... and it's usually the professional boxers too. Most of the amateur coaches I know watch and are huge fans of MMA, and recognize boxing as an integral part of fighting, but nowhere near the big picture.

            Fucking sport writers. Get in a ring with a MMA athlete, then you can start deriding MMA.

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              #7
              Diet coke is the sacrifice that fat people make in their minds to justify ordering 2whoppers and x-large fries. Because that'll make up for it...

              And you're right, the world is definitely full of retards. I originally tried to make this thread sound serious, but I'm pretty happy with the way it turned out.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Barrett
                "the combatants - a short, solidly built dark-haired guy and a tall, pale shaven- skulled fellow....After a brief hand-to-hand engagement in center octagon, the bald-headed fighter fell voluntarily to his back, lifted his knees to his chest and seemingly waited for his foe to dive headlong on top of him for a drawn-out session of ineffectual on-canvas writhing....
                Can anybody figure out what fight he's talking about? I think Spike showed Karo Parisyan v. Nick Thompson recently. IIRC, this quote roughly descibes that fight . . . except that the "headlong diving" and "drawn-out ineffectual writhing" actually was a relatively short and effective GNP sequence that left Thompson bleeding and tapping. He also fails to mention a couple of really slick no-gi judo throws by Parisyan.

                Typical "I couldn't understand anything once they stopped punching each other" reaction to a pretty solid performance.

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                  #9
                  Gay hotel porn eh?? Quite the conaisseur this man must be. I would love to see a guy who doesn't do any groundwork because he thinks it's gay step into the ring with an ADCC grappler. It may look gay but fuck with a grappler and...

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                    #10
                    I agree with his statement that the whole fall on your back thing with your legs up and out just looks silly. It is an exploit of rules such as the "No attacking the groin" rule and in the UFC: "Prohibits stomps, soccer kicks and knees to the head of a grounded opponent (more than feet touching ground). A fighter on the ground can kick upwards at their opponent's head only if their opponent is standing".


                    I like it in Sakuraba's fights when he fully kicks the legs of opponents (eg. Gracies) when they decide to just lie on their back like that. I still remember that look of horror when one of them is looking up at him like "WTF?! That hurt!"

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                      #11
                      I actually liked his NFL/XFL comparison, despite how I vehemently disagree with it. But that's only because of the Wiki definition of it...tell me this isn't the perfect comparison for someone who wants to bash MMA.

                      It was hyped as "real" football without penalties for roughness and with fewer rules in general. The loud games featured players and coaches with microphones and cameras in the huddle and in the locker rooms. Stadiums featured trash-talking public address announcers and very scantily-clad cheerleaders. Instead of a pre-game coin toss, XFL officials put the ball on the ground and let a player from each team scramble for it to determine who received the kickoff option, which, unsurprisingly, led to the first XFL injury. This type of "coin-toss" has since been referred to as the "injury zone."
                      Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
                      ...Willing is not enough you must do
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by KempoFist
                        It was hyped as "real" football without penalties for roughness and with fewer rules in general. The loud games featured players and coaches with microphones and cameras in the huddle and in the locker rooms. Stadiums featured trash-talking public address announcers and very scantily-clad cheerleaders. Instead of a pre-game coin toss, XFL officials put the ball on the ground and let a player from each team scramble for it to determine who received the kickoff option, which, unsurprisingly, led to the first XFL injury. This type of "coin-toss" has since been referred to as the "injury zone."
                        The freaking sounds like I ball game I would like to watch :mumum:
                        Originally posted by Phrost
                        Yeah, you're probably right.

                        But still, something about having a black guy or a lesbian jump out from behind a garbage can yelling "SURPRISE GONG SAU" at any of your big-named RBSD kooks makes me giggle like a little girl.
                        Originally posted by Phrost
                        There are two kinds of members on MAP:

                        1. LARPers/Partial Artists
                        2. People who haven't heard about Bullshido.
                        The Mighty McClaw to Fox when refusing to fight AnnaT.

                        Originally posted by TheMightyMcClaw
                        Don't fight girls? When are you living, the 1850's? I suppose you think they shouldn't work or vote either.
                        Get with the times and punch a chick.
                        Wingchundo's response after I called him a "pussy"

                        Originally posted by wingchundo
                        Hey, I resemble that remark!

                        Ok, time for a snappy comeback.... uh...

                        OK. Here goes.

                        You are what you eat!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by maurice
                          Can anybody figure out what fight he's talking about?
                          I'm pretty sure it's Horn vs. Liddell

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by UpaLumpa
                            I'm pretty sure it's Horn vs. Liddell
                            I remember Horn getting knocked on his ass a couple of times, but I thought Liddell just stepped back and made him get up again. Was there any G&P in that fight? It looked to me like Horn was trying to bait Liddell into getting inside his guard by acting like he was almost KO'd, but Liddell was having none of it.

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                              #15
                              NEWS FLASH: MMA isn't boxing; film at 11!
                              You can't make people smarter. You can expose them to information, but your responsibility stops there.

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