TUF 13: Episode 9 **SPOILERS**

[Robstafarian]

of courseeveryone pissed off at him. Tony appears to have no idea what he said, and when he's remided...he says it again!

I couldn't believe it. Tony went straight back to Angry Drunk Mode at the drop of a hat. I am not usually one for man drama, but that was so sudden and fucked up that it's still rolling around in the back of my head.

[Rath]

Episode was a little messed up. I stopped watching after 2 or 3 episodes but I just happened to turn my TV on as the fights were going on. That was some intense man drama though. Not sure how saying something like that could be justified.

[alex]

What Tony said was interesting, and i think there is a lot not being shown here. i dont see why he would suddenly pluck the idea of Chris hitting him instead of his son from, and considering that apparently chris isnt allowed to see his son at all... If child abuse IS the reason he isnt allowed to see his son, and Tony knew that, and had something against him for it that boiled over after he got drunk, then ok.

but if that isnt the case, Tony is a total prick. well hes a prick either way because he got into a fight over nothing, people were throwing beer and shit all over the place. but i could kinda see how it could come about (especially when you throw in a whole lot of cabin fever)

[matthias.]

Is it just me or did Zach totally under perfom in this fight if you look at the last fight. He was tired after a half round and was just barely throwing a punch.


And in my opinion tony is just a giant douchebag. Even if (and that is a gigantic if) there's a small chance chris did do something wrong to lose his kid (instead of having a bitch of an ex and a legal system against him) there was still no but absolutly no reason to get that pissed about a little water on you.

[tao.jonez]

Zach didn't want to come out the 2nd round. He was hurt and knew he was outclassed and his 2nd round showed it.

I think Tony's a dick too, but (psychoanalysis time) I think he's scared of losing. Fuck up and get kicked out and he loses without the fight. Blame Budweiser instead of your skill.

Agree with Alex though - the "hit me not your kid" shit seemed out of nowhere, and the reaction of the guys may put some perspective on it. They ALL thought Tony was out of line. Tony clearly has some issue going on.

Predictions on the fight results?
I'm seeing Chuck v Ramsey in the final, and I give it to Ramsey.

[greatheight]

Probably the biggest suprise to me this episode was the competent coaching performed by Brock Lesnar - especially in Chuck's fight against Zach. Chuck listened and stuck with the game plan.
The whole incident between Chris and Ramsey didn't shock me - mix alcohol with frustration, enclosed spaces and fighters, something was bound to happened. I was shocked that it was Tony that turned into such a cunt.

I've got Ramsey over Chuck for the semi's, though a determined Chuck, as we saw this episode, is a dangerous thing.
I'm pretty sure the Stripper will take down Cope as well.

[greatheight]

And by Ramsey, I meant Tony, of course...

[han090]

What Tony said was interesting, and i think there is a lot not being shown here. i dont see why he would suddenly pluck the idea of Chris hitting him instead of his son from, and considering that apparently chris isnt allowed to see his son at all... If child abuse IS the reason he isnt allowed to see his son, and Tony knew that, and had something against him for it that boiled over after he got drunk, then ok.

I think it's completely possible that he just wasn't allowed access to his son, and Tony therefore made the leap to abuse (since that's a potential reason, AND something that would get him seriously pissed off).

Or for that matter, I suppose it's not unheard of for these accusations to get suddenly made up when the mother wants sole custody.

I think it's also a good point that everyone in the house was pissed off at Tony as a result of him saying that, but really I think that shows it isn't true, rather than it is.

As for the fights, Zach really did seem to underperform. I don't think it was that bad, but after he got rocked that time, with a lengthy barrage of punches that cut him up....he pretty much was just hanging in there. Also, pretty impressed with how well zach seemed to take the news too.

[Hiro Protagonist]

I have to say, what I find offensive about this and other US shows is
how racially stereotyped Latino/"Guido" people are portrayed.

Seriously, I consider that offensive.

[tao.jonez]

Yeah, the guy who's playing Tony needs a better script. Hopefully next season he'll open a successful brokerage and give all the profits to his local Child Abuse Prevention center. I'll send a note to the writers guild.

[Hiro Protagonist]

Seriously, wasn't it crystal-clear to you that the guy with black oiled hair and the guido clothing style would tick off eventually, jersey shore -style?

And now, good ginger Irishman can beat up the nasty spaghetti, right?

And, come on, I understand that the UFC is terribly looking for the all-American hero lately, but I think they are overdoing that a bit.

Like, the whole Cain Velasquez is the "Mexican champion" - I expect more from a company that has made their main money with a multicultural cast. And, I mean, I know that they want to recruit the redneck viewers, but 1) those can't afford PPV anyway, and 2) they are busy with Nascar anyway.

[tao.jonez]

I honestly think you're being overly sensitive to the stereotype. Can't you remember all the dumbfuck whiteys they've had on? Pissing in fruit, jizzing in sushi, being Junie Browning or Gabe Ruteger? I think it's a simple matter of the age, gender, and occupation of these guys...somebody is gonna blow a gasket every season.

If I was going to pick a latino to go off the deep end, it'd be Javier. He looks more mexi-thuggish. Also Shamar seems like one of the most level headed guys on the show and he's BLACK! Boy did they go wrong there. He ties his shoes, keeps his hat on straight, and doesn't even wear Roca Wear for fuck's sake. I bet he can swim too.

[pokeroo]

I think there is some truth to what Dana says, that they don't try to make anyone look a certain way, they just film what's there and it is what it is. I say some truth because the only way they could be impartial is to leave nothing on the cutting room floor, which would be impossible.
We might not know what the deal is with Charlie's son possibly because of legal reasons. If such accusations are coming from a legitimate source, putting the details on TV could be damaging to his case and his family.
As far as stereotypes go, there are going to be people who match stereotypes and people who don't.

[Soldiermedic]

I have to say, what I find offensive about this and other US shows is
how racially stereotyped Latino/"Guido" people are portrayed.

Seriously, I consider that offensive.

In Japan, the direct translation of "Jersey Shore" is "Macaroni Rascals" which I think is a much better name to begin with. Now if only they stopped being so obsessed with tentacle porn.....

[Hiro Protagonist]

Tentacle porn is what I like about Japan.

You know Urotsukidoji? That scene where they fuck a computer's harddrive to save humanity?!

Better than my last BJJ class, that I can say.