Don't axe kick Wanderlei Silva

[Odacon]

Found this video of Wanerlei sparring, he's taking it pretty handy till his partner axe kicks him in the face, at which point he hammers the poor guy, enjoy!

[Hiro Protagonist]

Wandy seems to invite that shit, for whatever reason.

Seriously, training without head gear and slow,
and then kick to the face?

I would rape that motherfucker blind.

[cosmichearse]

It's part of his teaching method. It's called "You're still not at Wanderlei level".

[judoka_uk]

To be fair it is quite difficult to know how to pitch your aggression levels when fighting top guys. Some appreciate a good scrap and think it shows spirit and balls to try and take the fight to them. Others think you're scalp hunting and punish you with a pwning. And there's the other side of the coin where they don't take you seriously if you're overly respectful and act like a pussy.

Its even harder if you don't know the top level guy well, because as Wandy demos if they want to they're perfectly capable of hurting you, quite badly.

[Hiro Protagonist]

Got to disagree there - in striking, there is a certain code of conduct when you spar:

1. You never hit the head or the knees with full force. (or the lower arms, in MMA gloves.)
2. When a superior practitioner spars with you, he opens with the techniques you're supposed to repeat.
3. You never, ever, try to KO somebody.

Kid did all three things wrong.

[judoka_uk]

Maybe. Dunno anything about striking and have never sparred with any high level strikers.

Its different in Judo because you obviously attack whatevers avaliable and legal.
Everyone has their own techniques and the high level guy is expected to be able to stuff anything you try.

Throwing them for ippon is the hard bit and comes down to my point about showing spirit/ heart or being a head hunter versus being respectful/ looking like a pussy.

I'm just going on my experience of doing randori with high level Judo guys and how fighting a super human as an average spud presents more challenges then just 'how do not get hurt'.

[Hiro Protagonist]

Just so you get me right, we mean the same, just on a different level.

The point is, the awareness that the other person is doing you
a favor in not killfucking you has to be there, always.

In Muay Thai, Kickboxing and related, the point is, nearly everything can lead to severe injuries (in all MAs, but in striking specifically), and so you're expected to take care of things.

That kick could well have broken Wandy's nose, or the toe gotten into his eye.
For that, you don't need skill, just dumb luck.

So, for all the n00bs that read this, be fucking careful. :)

[surreal!]

My BJJ instructor told me about asking people to spar in certain ways, since he is a brazillian native and I think he is familiar with the Shoote box mentality he told me about a time when his shoote box friend came to his training place and one of his students asked to spar him. He told me to be carefull because some people take it as a challenge :P

I think it's shoote box anyways...

Thanks instructor!

[Neo Sigma]

2. When a superior practitioner spars with you, he opens with the techniques you're supposed to repeat.

The rest of it all follows from this, really. When one person is clearly better that the other, they set the pace and the other one follows. If I'm sparring with one of the fight team at my gym, I always let them throw the first few shots because I don't want to accidentally land one too hard and have them figure "Alright, well, this is how hard he wants to go, so that's what we'll do." Most strikers know that sparring usually ends up at a slightly higher intensity by the end than when you started, so I'd much rather start light and end the round mixing it up a little bit than start off swinging right away and end up running for my life by the end of it. All anyone learns from that is that I'm stupid and a bad sparring partner, and that they can hit really hard when they want to.

Basically, that kid forgot not to let his mouth write checks his ass can't cash.

[Flappyhead]

The rest of it all follows from this, really. When one person is clearly better that the other, they set the pace and the other one follows. If I'm sparring with one of the fight team at my gym, I always let them throw the first few shots because I don't want to accidentally land one too hard and have them figure "Alright, well, this is how hard he wants to go, so that's what we'll do." Most strikers know that sparring usually ends up at a slightly higher intensity by the end than when you started, so I'd much rather start light and end the round mixing it up a little bit than start off swinging right away and end up running for my life by the end of it. All anyone learns from that is that I'm stupid and a bad sparring partner, and that they can hit really hard when they want to.

That's a pretty accurate description of my sparing experience with my schools fight team. I'll usually end up taking a few good shots simply because I'm not all that good but that comes with the territory. I try to make it a point of landing a quick, light punch/kick when they leave an opening and accept the fact that once in a while I'll likely end up eating a harder shot when I forget something or when my partner settles into a good rhythm. It's always good form to take your lumps when that happens instead of trying to knock the other guys head off because he's not trying to hurt you intentionally(although s/he likely will if you start head hunting because you popped your chin out).

[dwkfym]

to the guy's defense, I'm not even sure if he meant to land that axe kick. But you try your damnest not to break the nose of someone who fights for living. that shit is not cool. Thats why I don't laugh at pro fighters or very serious amatuers who spar with face bar headgear.

[WhiteShark]

Also, IT'S WANDERLEI SILVA! there is video all over the place of him pwning people at seminars. Maybe don't piss him off?

[judoka_uk]

Also probably best to bear in mind that the man you're sparring is called the Axe Murderer.

[Vince Tortelli]

"Anybody can kick a puppy dog. But it takes a real man to kick a crocodile."

Don Frye

[Omega Supreme]

My BJJ instructor told me about asking people to spar in certain ways, since he is a brazillian native and I think he is familiar with the Shoote box mentality he told me about a time when his shoote box friend came to his training place and one of his students asked to spar him. He told me to be carefull because some people take it as a challenge :P

I think it's shoote box anyways...

Thanks instructor!

You come up to me in my gym and ask me to spar I'll take it as a challenge.
-I want to spar you = I want to fight you
-Could you spar with me = you want to work out together
-Can we spar = I need a training partner.
-You want some of this?= You need your ass kicked.

Just saying.