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    #2
    Shredder?

    New one on me. Anyone care to explain?
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    Scrach that... just looked at the senshido website.

    Now I'm not doubting the efficacy of it, but basing everything about that concept? It seems a bit limiting.

    I'd much rather just add that as another tool into what I currently have.

    Thoughts?
    Last edited by SamHarber; 2/03/2004 4:37am, .
    Taking responsibility for my actions since 1989

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      #3
      What is a shredder? Technique? Partial Shredder? Somebody help a CMA man out here...

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        #4
        Yeah I was going to ask the same thing... I have no idea what they actually were doing from that description...

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          #5
          The Shredder = Magically stop any attack by... STICKING YOUR HANDS IN THEIR FACE!!!!


          LOL

          TIGER CLAW! WAHSAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

          :rolleyes:

          Matt

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            #6
            See this thread:
            http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...&threadid=8995

            Personally, I think the T3H SHR3DD3R could easily be defeated by The Ninja Turtles, but who has those handy?

            How much are you being paid to endorse this nonesense?

            BTW, Thanks for the new sig.

            Rudy Reyes > Bear Grylls

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              #7
              http://www.senshido.com/swwd2.html

              Err, so you are supposed to tear the opponent's face off with your fingernails, and break his teeth by putting your thumb in his mouth?

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                #8
                http://www.senshido.com/swwd2_1.html

                Unique to Senshido, the Shredder has been referred to by most as a revolutionary and innovative offensive tactic and concept as well as "The Missing Link in Martial Arts and Self Defense".

                The Shredder is a physical retaliation concept that is comprised of several short, traumatic offences such as eye gouging, ear ripping, palm striking, raking, biting, elbowing, spitting, throat crushing and neck and head cranks and manipulations. It is a spontaneous barrage of gross motor skills where the targets are manifested by your attacker's panicked attempt at defensive disengagement. Ghosting footwork, anchoring, and forward pressure are also integral elements for delivery of the assault. The Shredder is behaviorally and scientifically rooted. It is not a technique.

                The great thing about the Shredder is that it is based on what mother nature already instilled in you. It enhances the use of your natural tools during the 'fight or flight' stage of the assault where the cognitive brain has been bypassed by the mid brain. Our survival mechanism is connected to what is called the autonomic nervous system, this system controls all voluntary and involuntary functions. It is also divided into 2 systems, one being the parasympathetic nervous system and the othr being the sympathetic nervous system. The parasympathetic nervous system is the one that predominates our actions and thoughts in non stressful environments. It controls fine motor skils, cognitive processing and a host of other functions related; however when threat is perceived, the sympathetic nervous system takes over which triggers the survival mehcanisms or 'fight or flight' response. The release of adrenaline by the sympathetic nervous system increases blood flow and arterial pressure causing a large amount of blood to be pumped into the larger muscles resulting in gross motor functions and applications.

                The symapathetic nervous system hinders the functional use of cognitive processing, visual perfromance and fine motor skills. A century worth of scientific studies and research has shown us that under the influence of the sympathetic nervous system, only gross motor skills are performed optimally. Thus, the ambush or immediate threat introduced quickly and with minimal or no prior warning will trigger the sympathetic nervous system. This is where the Shredder comes in. The tools involved with the Shredder are all gross motor and fully functional during the high stress situation. What we've done is improve on the delivery system of these tools establishing a greater understanding of both the behavioral and psychological elements that accompany the feral and instinctive nature of such a response.

                The Shredder also bypasses your opponent's reflexive response and flinch mechanism due to the repetitive, on the quarter beat, onslaught. This guarantees landing every single one of your strikes. It also offers maximum tactile sensitivity and can be applied anytime providing (in some instances) that strategic implementations are applied from the pre contact stage. The Shredder is a primary tool and tactic for any close quarter / grappling / ground fighting situations.

                Psychologically, the Shredder shocks, unbalances and disorients your opponent completely, due to the savage nature of the retaliation. Akin to your hands being like magnets and your opponent's face being a piece of metal, it is far beyond your average striking combinations usually seen in the majority of systems and styles. There is no memorization of techniques involved whatsoever, it all depends on the targets made available by your opponent's reactions and your closest weapon application.

                The Shredder isn't solely applicable to the head and neck areas but can also be applied to the rest of the body using a variety of natural tools. It can be used in minimum potential and maximum potential violence situations. For minimum violence potential, a more passive Shredder would be used. For maximum violence potentiality, the 'Nuclear' Shredder is required. The difference lies in the actual pressure and force applied behind each tool when striking, gouging, ripping, raking, cranking and tearing. It's the difference between a poke and a deep gouge and everything in between.

                The Shredder is Senshido's primary offensive arsenal and has been used successfully every single time both in real life altercations and scenario replications. For descriptive details and instrcution on the Shredder, please refer to the Deluxe Shredder Package.


                Oh dear.
                Taking responsibility for my actions since 1989

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                  #9
                  This takes the "eye gouge" theory of RBSD to a whole new level. It's not just a reliance on an eye gouge attack. It's whole system based on it!!!

                  LOL!

                  Matt

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                    #10
                    Well! I appreciate your honesty! Haw haw haw.

                    Here's a bit about myself.

                    I am not a Senshido instructor, and not affiliated to them in any way. I am a police officer from the UK and, though I do not work the streets at this moment in time, I did do for many yeas. I got into loads of scrapes in the process.

                    My background dates for nearly 25 years (I am the grand old age of 40), and includes:-

                    Shukokai Karate
                    Japanese Jiu Jitsu
                    Wing Chun Kung Fu
                    Taiho Ryu Jitsu (Police self defence)
                    Thai Boxing
                    Ground Fighting
                    WW2 Combatives.

                    Alot of the above is bollox I know, but I didn't know better at the time.

                    Sorry if the above review didn't explain the Shredder well enough. I'm a new poster here, and most places I post know what it is of sorts. But it is fair to say that it is not easy to appreciate it without having seen it in action.

                    As for Senshido - it was recommended to me by a guy on another forum. I contacted the founder via email, and he was a really nice and helpful guy. I don't buy from people who I don't like, but certainly did buy his "Shredder" tape. I was blown away by the demonstrations. Of course they could have been set ups. I am as cynical as the next man. I have seen masses of bullshit out there in the fighting arts world. But I dindn't think so on this occasion.

                    And now I have seen the guy in person. He picks people out of the class at random and says "Attack me any way you want to". They do, and they end up on the losing end. I thappened before my very eyes Sunday last, to many different people on the seminar.

                    But here are a few caveats about the Shredder. He does NOT say that it is a complete system that will replace your kick boxing or your grappling. It is an EXTRA skill to add to your existing arsenal. Senshido people still train boxing/grappling.kick boxing etc. The are important attributes to develop. But they aim to be reality based, not enter the sporting arena.

                    No combat sport that I know of allows the fingers in your face, teeth in your throat etc approach of the Shredder. Thee is a reason for that - IT IS TOO DANGEROUS.

                    It is NOT just "beat all comers by eye gouging". A whole load of wankers think they can take on the Gracies merely by threatening to poke them in the eyes...... The Shredder is very different.

                    I will try to give you a picture of it, but it is difficult. Imagine this - Your head is being twisted and pulled, destroying your balance. Fingers are gouging at your eyes, pulling hard tearing your ears.... You cop for the odd knee strike in your groin or thigh, and your bitten, palm heeled, elbowed, etc. etc. All this occurs with a machine gun delivery, the techniques constantly flowing from one to the other. That is what the Shredder aims to do.

                    It doesn't claim to be rocket science. The best ideas never are. They are simple applications of existing ideas. Look again at the Gracies. An untrained eye will see them rolling around like schoolboys in a brawl. The untrained eye can't see the skill involved, unless they are on the receiving end of course.

                    I don't blame you all for taking the piss. I am the biggest cynic I know, and have a Black Belt in piss taking. But have a close look at the site and the forum (but please behave there, it isn't a place to just have a laugh). Look at the testimonials etc.

                    What I am sayihg is this - don't be easily persuaded that the Shredder is something useful. There are too many charlatans pretending to have secret Chi powers and all kinds of shite. But don't discount it without giving it a fair look at.


                    Anyway, thanks for the responses. I'm a fan of cynicism but, for my own protection, I always do my best to apply it fairly.

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                      #11
                      "nd now I have seen the guy in person. He picks people out of the class at random and says "Attack me any way you want to". They do, and they end up on the losing end. I thappened before my very eyes Sunday last, to many different people on the seminar."

                      & no I'm not taking any sides, but what DID these attackers do, & how do you know they weren't selected beforehand like stage magicians do...

                      & The question you're going to be asked is: HOW can you know that the eye gouges etc are actually effective????

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                        #12
                        SamHarber - I've just noticed that you are in Bolton. I worked there as a Police Sergeant from 94-97. So what I hear you say.......

                        I am only 10 miles away. I'll keep checking the site and, if you seem a fairly sane person....., we may be able to meet and I will show you the Shredder tape. I won't demonstrate, as I am not a Snshido Instructor or anything, so their reputation should not depend on my abilities.

                        I think you'll be impressed with it, but who knows. If you, or anyone, wants t talk about it further (as well as on the thread), you can catch me on [email protected]

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                          #13
                          LLL - just seen your post.

                          Thee were only 30 people in the seminar. During the seminar Richard went round to monitor everyone. He did these demos as he went round for anyone who asked. I didn't ask. But I did train with a guy called Justin from Traditional Karate. He changed as the day went on from a gentle soul who thought that Kata helped you learn to fight...... to a Shredding dirty fighter. I outweighed him by about 70lbs and 20 years experience, but he could take me down with the Shredder, and keep me down, by the end of the day. I did not "die" to his moves on purpose. That is another Senshido concept. Your training partner should never let you apply anything - it either works or it doesn't.

                          Here is another piece of info. Of course we didn't really crush each others eyeballs. We did the partial shred, where heads are shaken, faces are pulled around.... but every one can still see at the end of the day. Even this partial Shred takes its toll.

                          How do I know that eye gouges are effective? Well you have a point. I have never seen a person get their eye taken out. But I reasonably believe that it would go a long way to knocking their ability and resolve in a fight. And, if they keep coming, they keep getting attacked. Eyes, throat, knees, groin etc etc.

                          Hope that helps.

                          PS - regarding the Shredder Logo. As far as I can make out one of Dimitri's friends drew it for him. He stresses that you never put your fingers in the opponents mouth, but the artist is more into drawing than technical applications. In my view itdoes project an innacurate image of what the Shredder actually is, but it isn't my art, so is not my call to make.
                          Last edited by Bri Thai; 2/03/2004 12:51pm, .

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                            #14
                            Anyone on that side of the pond want to check this out?

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                              #15
                              We should send someone to the Toronto Seminar: http://www.senshido.com/smtlU_2.html

                              How 'bout it TO boys?

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