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    Krav maga and my stupid cousin

    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


    - W.B. Yeats

    #2
    best unarmed defence against a knife is the art of runnning!!!!!!!

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      #3
      I must learn this krav maga. I take it your cousin is a lawyer as well.



      The above sounds far too confident in dealing with knives.

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        #4
        One inch is enough.

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          #5
          Not a lawyer, he is studying to be a veterinary.


          Still, he is an imbecile to believe that - IF he was actually told that, as I hope he was not. Which is why I would like to know the opinion of the kravers here.

          I actually posted the same question (in a slightly more polite form) in the official krav maga forum, if you would like to know what they have to say:

          http://www.kravmaga.com/forum/discus...iscussion=3070
          That civilisation may not sink,
          Its great battle lost,
          Quiet the dog, tether the pony
          To a distant post;
          Our master Caesar is in the tent
          Where the maps are spread,
          His eyes fixed upon nothing,
          A hand under his head.


          - W.B. Yeats

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            #6
            ask him how many inches is needed to stab him in the eyeballs

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              #7
              Not being a doctor or anatomist, I'm not commenting from a particularly educated standpoint.

              I would think, however, than an inch would be more than sufficient. Arteries in the wrist are vulnerable, as is the windpipe and the inside of the thigh.

              Even if they couldn't kill you, a stab in the eye, the groin, etc could lead to lasting disfigurement and no little pain.

              It sounds like the instructor is propagating extremely dangerous advice.

              P

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                #8
                Just to add - it may be true to say that a small knife in the hands of an untrained mugger is not necessarily as much of a threat as the public may consider it to be.

                However, that is not the same thing as the arguments presented above, which seem to suggest that a small knife is NEVER particularly dangerous.

                I really don't see how the statements presented above can be considered reasonable, and it seems deceitful, misleading and irresponsible.

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                  #9
                  I hope your cousin never has to defend against a real knife attack in the future. I think the biggest danger in learning defenses against weapons is that it gives many people a false sense of confidence. I mean, you never know if the person you're defending against knows how to use their weapon. You may have 5 years in Krav Maga or some other martial art, but they could have 5 years in knife fighting and THEY have the weapon.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Beavis
                    Just to add - it may be true to say that a small knife in the hands of an untrained mugger is not necessarily as much of a threat as the public may consider it to be.

                    However, that is not the same thing as the arguments presented above, which seem to suggest that a small knife is NEVER particularly dangerous.

                    I really don't see how the statements presented above can be considered reasonable, and it seems deceitful, misleading and irresponsible.
                    My thoughts exactly. Even if an untrained attacker can have problems trying to kill you with a knife, there is a very real danger of permanent damage, and it seems the instructor was convincing the students that that kind of situation is really no big deal.
                    That civilisation may not sink,
                    Its great battle lost,
                    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
                    To a distant post;
                    Our master Caesar is in the tent
                    Where the maps are spread,
                    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
                    A hand under his head.


                    - W.B. Yeats

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                      #11
                      Re: Krav maga and my stupid cousin

                      Originally posted by WingChun Lawyer
                      Seriously, I need to get some of what this guy is smoking! Has this guy ever studied basic anatomy? You cut a main artery OR a vein in your neck and you're done unless you get medical attention immediately! If you cut both, then you just have a little less time to live.

                      You should take a magic marker some time and write all over his neck and wrists with it to show him how good his knife defense is.
                      Last edited by strats36; 2/02/2004 7:55am, .

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                        #12
                        Ippatsu182 quote --> 'I think the biggest danger in learning defenses against weapons is that it gives many people a false sense of confidence. '


                        I agree if the training is not realistic - but when you train realisitcally - meaning the person with the training blade is really trying to cut you, not to just make you look and feel good - you learn pretty damn quick that you never want to be in a knife fight - no matter how long you have been training.

                        At least if you train realistically you will have an increased chance of walking away with your life if you ever HAVE to defend yourself - you are still at a huge disadvantage.

                        I however feel that the people who train with no realistic attacks and no resistance are worse off than someone who has never trained. People with no training tend to just try and control the knife. When I work with someone who is used to doing 'Fancy' techniques against a non resisting opponent - and I attack them aggresively for the first time - they get nailed about 10 to 20 times in a row (in a few seconds) and then finally give up on what they were trying to do and then just try to control the knife.
                        Last edited by Student; 2/02/2004 8:03am, .

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                          #13
                          I've never studied KM, but I have checked out their forum (www.kravmaga.com).

                          The universal conclusion on that forum is that knives are dangerous.

                          I have seen no evidence of the over-confidence which you describe above from the participants at that site.
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                          The Way of Aiki to to become
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                          Opening all the world

                          --O Sensei

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                            #14
                            That civilisation may not sink,
                            Its great battle lost,
                            Quiet the dog, tether the pony
                            To a distant post;
                            Our master Caesar is in the tent
                            Where the maps are spread,
                            His eyes fixed upon nothing,
                            A hand under his head.


                            - W.B. Yeats

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                              #15
                              I've taken Krav off and on, and no... that isn't the policy of Krav Maga training. Sounds like some teacher just trying to draw more students in by giving them a false sense of invunerability

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