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    Originally posted by ListenPlease View Post
    Ok, at frame (2:56) WD and KFG are at the same distance from the camera, standing upright and facing each other. Here are my measurements in millimeters...

    KFG= 120 mm
    WD= 112 mm

    KFG's measurement divided by WD measurement = 1.0714285 multiplied by 69 = 73.928566 inches

    73.928566 divided by 12 inches = 6.16 which is 6 feet 1.5 inches for KFG's actual height.

    The FBI site states that John Doe was 5'7 to 5'8" tall.
    If John Doe was 5'7-5'8" than he was about 3 to 4 and a half inches shorter than KFG. That's a pretty big difference wouldn't you say? There are alot of similarities between John Doe and KFG but there's a BIG difference in height and that poses the problem of these two not being the same person unfortunately. Do you agree Matt?
    As long as no one (The police, you, the coroner, etc) made a mistake, then it's a safe bet that John Doe can't be KFG, despite the obvious facial similarity.
    Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


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      Originally posted by Matt Phillips View Post
      As long as no one (The police, you, the coroner, etc) made a mistake, then it's a safe bet that John Doe can't be KFG, despite the obvious facial similarity.
      Okay, I just didn't want this investigation to stop because KFG and John Doe/John Hardy ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON.

      I really had hoped that they were because that would mean that KFG lived. Unfortunately, KFG has still not been found yet.
      Last edited by ListenPlease; 4/23/2012 10:37am, .

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        Originally posted by SifuAbel
        Either way you don't have corpus delecti.

        Also, the wrinkle in your analysis of the remains is that of John Doe's severe malnutrition and bone deterioration. Bones can shrink and decay. He could have lost a lot of bone mass in 12 years. Sorry, I think its him, too many similarities.
        I don't think the bones shrunk 6 inches in length, even if they were there for 12 years. I don't believe the skeletal remains were under the bridge for 12 years undetected, in a major metropolitan area. Sorry, it seems like you're reaching...

        Yeah, It sucks, I know.
        Last edited by ListenPlease; 4/23/2012 12:32pm, .

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          Originally posted by SifuAbel
          Either way you don't have corpus delecti.

          Also, the wrinkle in your analysis of the remains is that of John Doe's severe malnutrition and bone deterioration. Bones can shrink and decay. He could have lost a lot of bone mass in 12 years. Sorry, I think its him, too many similarities.
          Also, John Doe/John Hardy was found with 2 pair of pants size 34-32 and 34-29 so he was a short man. He also wore a size 9 shoe. KFG at 6' 1.5" Must've had a bigger foot than a size 9. KFG was tall.
          Last edited by ListenPlease; 4/23/2012 12:56pm, .

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            In regards to the pant sizes. I'm over 6 feet tall and wear 34/34 jeans.

            And over time, soft skeletal tissue can dry out and compress. As to the am mount of compression, I can't say. Just reciting a bit of knowledge I have from temping in a mortuary.

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              Originally posted by SifuAbel
              So there's a tailor for the homeless? I'm sure that a crazy homeless guy doesn't have the funds to go and get fitted. He got what he could get his hands on. All you got is "if" "must" "perhaps" "suppose".

              This will never end.

              You misunderstand, a person can shrink while alive. Especially from extreme malnutrition.
              what i'm saying is this; it's not surprising to find him in shorter pants with a 34 inch waist for the reason that finding size 34/34 or 34/36 pants can be difficult and that you often have to pay designer prices for them. if he went with pants that fit his waist from good will/salvation army, they would probably be short on him.

              as for the smaller shoe, it is possible he was wearing a size to small.

              this is all conjecture, and i know i'm reaching here. but, with the maxillofacial trauma matching the video's injury and the skeletal match up on the facial measurements, i find it very hard to dismiss john doe as kung fu guy.

              also, that 6'1ish height measurement is also taking his afro into account. could be an extra inch and a half right there.

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                Originally posted by SifuAbel
                So there's a tailor for the homeless? I'm sure that a crazy homeless guy doesn't have the funds to go and get fitted. He got what he could get his hands on. All you got is "if" "must" "perhaps" "suppose".

                This will never end.

                You misunderstand, a person can shrink while alive. Especially from extreme malnutrition.
                I knew that you were gonna say something about KFG not having a tailor. He was homeless so of course he probably would not have clothes of a perfect fit. That's obvious. All I'm saying is 6 inches is a HUGE amount to be off. That's ALOT of "shrinkage"
                A size 9 shoe is indicitive of a man of smaller stature. Sorry, I'm not trying to be pessimistic here, I'm just trying to help.

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                  Originally posted by omoplatypus View Post
                  what i'm saying is this; it's not surprising to find him in shorter pants with a 34 inch waist for the reason that finding size 34/34 or 34/36 pants can be difficult and that you often have to pay designer prices for them. if he went with pants that fit his waist from good will/salvation army, they would probably be short on him.

                  as for the smaller shoe, it is possible he was wearing a size to small.

                  this is all conjecture, and i know i'm reaching here. but, with the maxillofacial trauma matching the video's injury and the skeletal match up on the facial measurements, i find it very hard to dismiss john doe as kung fu guy.

                  also, that 6'1ish height measurement is also taking his afro into account. could be an extra inch and a half right there.

                  I would think he would've wore a shoe that was larger than his foot, not smaller...just a guess based on the fact that he was homeless and probably did alot of walking.

                  Also, I did not include KFG's afro in my measurements...

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                    Extosis...

                    Found that exostosis may be common in the homeless?...take a look...

                    http://www.californiaearinstitute.co...e-bay-area.php

                    if left untreated it would get bigger and bigger?

                    ...and yes, I realize KFG, John Hardy/John Doe probably weren't surfers but most likely they were exposed to cold weather alot of the time
                    Last edited by ListenPlease; 4/24/2012 6:11am, . Reason: mispelling

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                      Demented ?

                      WHY is it that kfg is called a retard all the time?

                      He is surely naive and a little narcistic but calling him a retard (etc)
                      feels very wrong.

                      best regards

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                        Originally posted by SifuAbel
                        I'm 5'8" and wear a 10.
                        Same here.
                        Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


                        KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

                        In De Janerio, in blackest night,
                        Luta Livre flees the fight,
                        Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
                        Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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                          Originally posted by kaiozz View Post
                          WHY is it that kfg is called a retard all the time?

                          He is surely naive and a little narcistic but calling him a retard (etc)
                          feels very wrong.

                          best regards
                          I called BJB a 'retard' in the thread. Other than that, the only person to use the word is you.
                          Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


                          KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

                          In De Janerio, in blackest night,
                          Luta Livre flees the fight,
                          Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
                          Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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                            Originally posted by SifuAbel
                            I'm 5'8" and wear a 10. Shoe size can vary from person to person. Being taller doesn't necessarily mean a big foot, or vice versa.
                            That's true but a man 6'2" tall would most likely wear a larger shoe size than a size 9.

                            The main factor here is that there's a huge difference in the height of these two men.
                            KFG= 6 feet 1.5 inches
                            John Hardy = 5'7-5'8"

                            BIG DIFFERENCE.

                            I only used the clothes and the shoes to support the fact that John Hardy was shorter than KFG.

                            6-7 inches is a lot to be "off by" in the initial height estimate of John Hardy even with "bone shrinkage."

                            Surely the coroner must've been more accurate in his height estimate of John Hardy than be off by 6-7 inches. The skeletal remains were found intact in a sleeping bag under a bridge after having been there for about a year.

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                              Originally posted by ListenPlease View Post
                              That's true but a man 6'2" tall would most likely wear a larger shoe size than a size 9.

                              The main factor here is that there's a huge difference in the height of these two men.
                              KFG= 6 feet 1.5 inches
                              John Hardy = 5'7-5'8"

                              BIG DIFFERENCE.

                              I only used the clothes and the shoes to support the fact that John Hardy was shorter than KFG.

                              6-7 inches is a lot to be "off by" in the initial height estimate of John Hardy even with "bone shrinkage."

                              Surely the coroner must've been more accurate in his height estimate of John Hardy than be off by 6-7 inches. The skeletal remains were found intact in a sleeping bag under a bridge after having been there for about a year.
                              If we didn't have reasonably strong evidence of facial similarity I would be inclined to simply agree, but we have tension between the height info and the facial analysis. It's possible that the estimated height for John Doe is just botched/wrong.

                              As far as the shoe goes, it's excellent for establishing a timeframe, but not great for establishing height. If you had only 1 shoe, would you really care if it "fit"?

                              Also, in your analysis, did you measure to the top of the head/hair? That would add unnecessary error to your measurement of KFG's height.

                              Just stuff to look at. I'm not trying to force an ID here, just try to sort out the conflicting evidence.
                              Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie


                              KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

                              In De Janerio, in blackest night,
                              Luta Livre flees the fight,
                              Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
                              Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!

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                                Originally posted by Matt Phillips View Post
                                If we didn't have reasonably strong evidence of facial similarity I would be inclined to simply agree, but we have tension between the height info and the facial analysis. It's possible that the estimated height for John Doe is just botched/wrong.

                                As far as the shoe goes, it's excellent for establishing a timeframe, but not great for establishing height. If you had only 1 shoe, would you really care if it "fit"?

                                Also, in your analysis, did you measure to the top of the head/hair? That would add unnecessary error to your measurement of KFG's height.

                                Just stuff to look at. I'm not trying to force an ID here, just try to sort out the conflicting evidence.
                                I have to admit that when I first saw the John Doe/John Hardy comparison I said "Hooray! KFG's been found and he lived!"...until I saw the difference in height. That's been bothering the heck out of me.

                                I wish I could overlook the difference in height but I can't.

                                exostosis looks as though it may be common in the homeless living in cold weather environments?

                                I did not include KFG's hair/afro in my measurements. Even without doing the calculations, I could tell that KFG is/was much taller than WD. It's obvious throughout the video even though it's a VHS.

                                Guess we need some good ole' fashioned DNA testing to be sure.

                                I want to believe it's him but I don't think so.

                                PS. forget the shoe, you're focusing on the wrong thing. Look at the big picture.

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