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    It's a Sad Day - Gracie University

    I can't believe that Graice Jiu Jitsu is adopting McDojoism.

    https://www.gracieuniversity.com/LC/...3QJ4TGT7X&n=28


    To honor the legacy of Grand Master Helio Gracie, we will make the complete Gracie Jiu-Jitsu curriculum available to students all over the world through the most powerful and comprehensive online learning system available.



    For the first time ever, all the techniques required for promotion to black belt will be available online in the exact order and lesson format that you would experience in private lessons at the Gracie Academy. Through a revolutionary Video Evaluation Process, we will be able to monitor your progress, evaluate your skills, and award you with official belt promotions on your journey to Gracie Jiu-Jitsu mastery.


    We will be with you every step of the way.


    Ryron and Rener Gracie
    Head Instructors - Gracie Academy
    "To honor the legacy of Helio Graci"? Looks more like they're trying to cash in on his legacy.

    "We will be with you every step of the way"? Via video? Common, how are they going to provide quality instruction via video? While video can be a useful tool for instruction, it is no substitute for physical interaction between instructors and students.
    Last edited by TEA; 3/11/2009 10:35am, .

    #2
    so what if it's only you doing the dvd?

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      #3
      I was wondering when somebody would start a thread on here: I first saw it on Sherdog, but its across all the major BJJ forums now (e.g., EFN and NHBGear).

      Via video? Common, how are they going to provide quality instruction via video?
      What interests me about this, aside from the numerous previous issues which were raised in the debate over Gracie Combatives, is that this puts the Gracie Academy in the same position as Carlson Gracie Jr in 1997, which led to heavy criticism from Helio.

      Carlson Gracie Jr had an instructional series available at the time which offered certification in self-defence. It effectively sounds comparable to this new Gracie University course, using 1997 technology (i.e., tapes rather than a website). The advert included this statement:

      Originally posted by Carlson Gracie Jr
      Now, for a limited time only, Carlson Gracie, Jr., is accepting key students and instructors to learn and teach the fundamentals of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. This new course, endorsed by the International Brazilian Jiu-jitsu Federation, teaches the Gracie Family's most life saving self-defense techniques and is designed for instructors as well as students of all levels. This course teaches dozens of important Gracie standup and ground fighting techniques and fully certifies you to teach these techniques for the Gracie Family. You can even have Carlson Gracie, Jr. personally test you or your students for further certification
      Helio singled that out for attack in his GJJ Advanced interview:

      Originally posted by Helio
      Didn't you see Carlson's son is selling a certificate in the United States? To anyone who buys four or five of his tapes, he'll give a certificate as an instructor. What else do you want? Is there a bigger con artist than this? [...]

      This kind of dishonesty I do not approve of. I already elected Rorion my representative in all areas, not only because he's my oldest son, but because he is the one who is more dedicated to jiu jitsu for what jiu jitsu is and the way I like it. [...]

      Lets not confuse the student with those presumptuous ones who want to become teachers, because my own sons, who were born with me and since three years old have been doing jiu jitsu, only got their certificates after practicing their teaching skill for ten years.

      Now an individual comes by my academy and spends five or six months or a year, and then leaves calling himself a jiu jitsu teacher. There's no way. Because for me, the instructor skill is not the learning of the movements, its in the philosophy behind the movements. In Brazil, unfortunately, it is very difficult to find someone with the morals I expect to become an instructor at my academy. That's the problem.
      I'm guessing that the Gracie Academy's defence would be the same as their defence of Gracie Combatives: it isn't the same as 'sport jiu jitsu', as instead its a ranking in self-defence. I.e., this section of the website:

      Originally posted by Gracie University
      The Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy belt system is distinct from that of sport-oriented schools. Although the belt colors are the same, the belt qualification requirements are very different
      The fact that it goes all the way up to black belt makes it rather more controversial than the already contentious 'blue belt' from Combatives.



      It does look very professional, and to step away from the more serious McDojo problems which will no doubt be explored in detail in this thread, I like the way in which there is a training partner database, so you can look for people to train with in your area. As I'm always interested in drilling outside of class, that's handy, but not much use for somebody who is a complete beginner. The Gracie Garage idea is also interesting, but again, not too useful unless there is somebody a great deal more experienced present (like the current example, which has a brown belt leading it):

      Originally posted by Gracie University
      1. Dedicated Leader: The leader/owner of the facility must be dedicated to the mastery of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.
      2. Instructional Source: The leader must have access to the official Gracie Jiu-Jitsu curriculum through Gracie University, Gracie Instructional DVDs, or a Certified Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Training Center.
      3. Training Area: The home must have at least one room, or space, that is dedicated to the practice of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, and the room must be equipped with at least 100 square feet of grappling mats.

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        #4
        Do you have a link to the Helio interview?

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          #5
          Well now we know BJJ > GJJ. At least they cleared that up.

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            #6
            Originally posted by TEA View Post
            Do you have a link to the Helio interview?
            Its from a 1998 video: I'm not sure if anyone has transcribed the whole thing, or if its sitting on YouTube/Megaupload/Google Videos somewhere, but I have some snippets written up in my review of Gracie Jiu Jitsu Advanced.

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              #7
              Originally posted by slideyfoot View Post
              I was wondering when somebody would start a thread on here: I first saw it on Sherdog, but its across all the major BJJ forums now (e.g., EFN and NHBGear).

              What interests me about this, aside from the numerous previous issues which were raised in the debate over Gracie Combatives, is that this puts the Gracie Academy in the same position as Carlson Gracie Jr in 1997, which led to heavy criticism from Helio.
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                #8
                Originally posted by WhiteShark View Post
                Well now we know BJJ > GJJ. At least they cleared that up.
                QFT.

                GJJ just ain't what it used to be.

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                  #9
                  There's a school of GJJ just down the road from me. I mistakenly assumed it would be the same as other BJJ schools.

                  The instructor then proceeded to lecture me at length as to how worthless sport jiu jitsu was, and that I would be rebuilding myself from the ground up, and that my sport jiu jitsu rank was worthless, and it would take many tests to see if I had mastered the self defense moves to advance, and also there's no sparring.

                  I wash my hands of you, GJJ.

                  Although having a black belt would be pretty sweet.

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                    #10
                    Is this a standard held by all Gracie Barra schools? There's a Gracie Barra nearby that I might check out and ask their opinion on this new development. Southern California is overflowing when it comes to quality BJJ instructors...so it wouldn't surprise me if the Gracie Barra near hear considered this a load of bullshit.

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                      #11
                      Huh, they'll surely not mind if I order my Gracie black belt... In white?
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by lionknight View Post
                        GJJ just ain't what it used to be.
                        Yrkoon9's post on the differences between GJJ and BJJ seems to get more relevant every year. I'm not sure if the self-defence angle so heavily pushed by the Gracie Academy wasn't always going to lead to that division, however, given that they've been deriding 'sport' jiu jitsu from the start. E.g., to quote another chunk from that GJJ Advanced interview:

                        Originally posted by Helio
                        Here in Brazil now, everybody does jiu jitsu with rules and time limits. How can I fight a man much stronger than I for five or ten minutes if I'm weak and he's strong? I have to wait for him to get tired, so I can defeat him. Who is a better fighter? I, who can make him tap in half an hour, or he, that wins by points in five minutes, because the time-keeper or somebody with a pen says that he scored more points. The winner is the one that wins the real fight, which is what we do.
                        Same reason Royce gave for giving up on the UFC (though of course he did eventually renege on that to go back and fight Hughes), back in this interview from 1995.
                        Last edited by slideyfoot; 3/11/2009 11:42am, .

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                          #13
                          The GJJ Street vs Tournament thing is worse than ever. Their arguement is "Oh, in the street, he wont know how to grapple"

                          So uh, yeah, the key to fighting a BJJ blackbelt in an MMA fight is to not know how to grapple at all. Thatll throw him off...


                          I can understand helios arguement, of not liking scores/time limits. But his grandsons are retarded.

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                            #14
                            So let's see. People with no experience and no ukemi training are being encouraged to practice throws on their garage floors in front of webcams.

                            Am I the only one who sees the awesome?

                            Edit:I suppose my feeble attempts at wit should probably be moved to the YMAS thread. However that shakes out.
                            Last edited by HappyOldGuy; 3/11/2009 12:36pm, .

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by HappyOldGuy View Post
                              So let's see. People with no experience and no ukemi training are being encouraged to practice throws on their garage floors in front of webcams.

                              Am I the only one who sees the awesome?

                              I eagerly await the You Tube "Fat People [email protected]" compilation.

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