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  • manlobeiro
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    Originally posted by It is Fake View Post
    You do realize this person did exactly what you did right?

    Made an assumption.

    You assumed we were all on Nunes' side. I've never met the guy. So, by your own words, that makes you a liar.

    This person assumed it was you who was passed up for promotion.

    This is going to YMAS.
    I think you have a twisted logic.
    My assumption is correct, since i am the only one to give sources, i repeat, give sources of something against forum readers that assume its only a smear campaign.
    As far as i am concerned, anyone interested in this, but not doing research is on Nunes side, sorry if i am wrong.
    I did not lie, so dont call me a liar. None of these people (Kelly or Pat) know me.
    If they did, why would they want to know who i am?
    Nevermind.

    It is Fake, good job. I have done the right thing, know i am sure that my assumption is correct ;)

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  • It is Fake
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    It isn't his words it is actually your attacks that make every one question your motives.
    kwan_dao tried to help you while staying nuetral.
    You flipped out.

    I told both sides to calm down.
    Kellyd did.
    You said I was on their side.

    I said follow the rules.
    Kellyd did.
    You flipped out and called me a liar.

    Now we sit at kellyd forced us to take his side. I'm neutral at this point. Some of Nunez's stuff, that was presented by you, looks like resume' padding to bullshido advancement but, I don't know.

    The way you reacted to kellyd's assertion that you were passed over for a test, coupled with your reactions, lends creditability to his argument.

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  • manlobeiro
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    Originally posted by kellyd View Post
    Pat told me he knew of you and that you were talking the same stuff for a while now and not to bother as you seem to have a hate on.
    BUt hey.. I have my information as to what I have been told as do you. I have given my full real name and email address and people who know me here and in England that can verify who I am and my rank.. BUt you have given nothing of the sort. NO real name, no school where you study, no organization if you are member of one.
    If you have nothing to gain and are doing this to be honest and have nothing to lose or fear then why not put up your real name and where you study. What school, what style, how long have you studied? how did you manage to get hold of such documents that were considered fakes? I am sure someone else must have a copy of these on a website or organization site to back up the claim.
    Pat and I may not always see eye to eye but I will not hang a man without being 100% sure of what the charges are against him.
    I even told Pat that if this does turn out to be true, I will tell Helder to go F*#& himself hard. Pat agreed with me.
    I really have no reason to doubt Helder and since Soke MOrris gave him his current rank, are you calling SOke Morris a liar??
    And as for a comment you made beforehand, I have never said anyone on here was stupid.
    I also told you that Helder was awarded his BJJ purple belt from the head of Gracie JJ in France.. Look him up and ask him.
    Clearly you are trying to turn the readers opinion against me.
    I am not focused in your identity as much as you are in mine.

    You have given nothing relevant. If you had nothing to do with this subject you would not be here answering a low smearer like me.
    Yes, those documents exist and will be legally used soon. I dont have them in case you are wondering.

    You are very polite, using that harsh language with Sensei Nunes, has he done any wrong to you? Maybe in an exam?

    You did not answer, again.
    If you put anything credible i will adress you again.
    Cheers

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  • kellyd
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    LMAO. Thanks Cdnronin. I think we are actually about the same height but I outweight the little guy by about 110 lbs or so.. I come in at 270 and I have a shaved head and a dark brown goatee..lol. Helder is a smalller frame and has fair hair.
    BUt again, I to have never received a belt from Helder.. I feel so alone..lol
    I have actually been to several of his seminars here. The first time Helder was here, I took 5 seminars with him. All for free, he didn't charge me as he considered me a friend and he also used me for demo's during them along with Pat.
    But even here in Ottawa, we have our share of Bullshido artists.
    I remember one guy called Deslauriers that used to claim he was a Shaolin kung fu master and lived in CHina to learn as a child..( sounds like the tv show kung fu to me..lol) He also claimed he was a master Ninja and studied in Japan for 20 yrs there..lol I wonder how ??
    Anyway. How are things Cdnronin?

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  • It is Fake
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    Originally posted by manlobeiro View Post
    Dont be offended please. You have any proof of what you say?
    If i am recquired to give proof, i think you should give proof too, dont you agree?
    Well, you have talked with Soke Cheek, ok, forgive me if i say that its just your word.
    Well, either Pat is mistaken, or Pat is a liar, or you are a liar, since i am not knowned in the martial world, i just practice, i have never been with Mr. Pat so, how can he know me?
    I dont know him.
    I did contact Soke Cheek, before you registered in Bullshido, and i got an answer.

    From you, i got no answer to the legit questions i presented.
    Come on, please answer.
    You do realize this person did exactly what you did right?

    Made an assumption.

    You assumed we were all on Nunes' side. I've never met the guy. So, by your own words, that makes you a liar.

    This person assumed it was you who was passed up for promotion.

    This is going to YMAS.

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  • Cdnronin
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    Originally posted by kellyd View Post
    Actually I gave you my name and email before as well.. Soke CHeek knows who I am and I am not Helder.. AS I said, I am only a 4th dan..
    Hmm, as someone from Ottawa who has never been to a Helder Nunes seminar, nor recieved a belt from him(should I fell left out?), I can verify that Kelly would never be mistaken from Helder. I believe Helder being taller would be one clue, right Kelly?

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  • kellyd
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    Pat told me he knew of you and that you were talking the same stuff for a while now and not to bother as you seem to have a hate on.
    BUt hey.. I have my information as to what I have been told as do you. I have given my full real name and email address and people who know me here and in England that can verify who I am and my rank.. BUt you have given nothing of the sort. NO real name, no school where you study, no organization if you are member of one.
    If you have nothing to gain and are doing this to be honest and have nothing to lose or fear then why not put up your real name and where you study. What school, what style, how long have you studied? how did you manage to get hold of such documents that were considered fakes? I am sure someone else must have a copy of these on a website or organization site to back up the claim.
    Pat and I may not always see eye to eye but I will not hang a man without being 100% sure of what the charges are against him.
    I even told Pat that if this does turn out to be true, I will tell Helder to go F*#& himself hard. Pat agreed with me.
    I really have no reason to doubt Helder and since Soke MOrris gave him his current rank, are you calling SOke Morris a liar??
    And as for a comment you made beforehand, I have never said anyone on here was stupid.
    I also told you that Helder was awarded his BJJ purple belt from the head of Gracie JJ in France.. Look him up and ask him.

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  • manlobeiro
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    Originally posted by kellyd View Post
    Actually I gave you my name and email before as well.. Soke CHeek knows who I am and I am not Helder.. AS I said, I am only a 4th dan.
    AS for saying that you were "Passe by for an exam". It is common here.. Sorry if you do not know that. It is tha same as being passed over.
    I have talled to Soke Cheek and all he would say is "It's a shame". when asked about the situation. Pat L can be contacted at his own email. When I talke dto him, he said he knows who you are and that you are not worth debating this over.
    SO I shall take a lead from him and wont bother with this anymore.
    AS for contactin Soke Cheek.. By all means, please do and tell him Kelly from Ottawa says hello. he and I have been friends since the late 80, early 90's when he was teaching with Soke Morris.
    Dont be offended please. You have any proof of what you say?
    If i am recquired to give proof, i think you should give proof too, dont you agree?
    Well, you have talked with Soke Cheek, ok, forgive me if i say that its just your word.
    Well, either Pat is mistaken, or Pat is a liar, or you are a liar, since i am not knowned in the martial world, i just practice, i have never been with Mr. Pat so, how can he know me?
    I dont know him.
    I did contact Soke Cheek, before you registered in Bullshido, and i got an answer.

    From you, i got no answer to the legit questions i presented.
    Come on, please answer.

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  • It is Fake
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    Originally posted by kellyd View Post
    AS for saying that you were "Passe by for an exam". It is common here.. Sorry if you do not know that. It is tha same as being passed over.
    ...and this is why it stays.

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  • kellyd
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    Actually I gave you my name and email before as well.. Soke CHeek knows who I am and I am not Helder.. AS I said, I am only a 4th dan.
    AS for saying that you were "Passe by for an exam". It is common here.. Sorry if you do not know that. It is tha same as being passed over.
    I have talled to Soke Cheek and all he would say is "It's a shame". when asked about the situation. Pat L can be contacted at his own email. When I talke dto him, he said he knows who you are and that you are not worth debating this over.
    SO I shall take a lead from him and wont bother with this anymore.
    AS for contactin Soke Cheek.. By all means, please do and tell him Kelly from Ottawa says hello. he and I have been friends since the late 80, early 90's when he was teaching with Soke Morris.

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  • manlobeiro
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    Last edited by manlobeiro; 4/03/2009 8:37am, .

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  • It is Fake
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    Wrong website, this will stay up.

    It might be moved out of this sub forum but, it isn't going to be deleted.

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  • manlobeiro
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    Yes, sir we agree that this thread should be deleted, because now is clear to me who you are.
    Altough is also clear why you want this thread deleted.
    Know i strongly believe that you are Mr. Nunes himself, not only the way you write 'Maybe he passed you by for an exam.' is not gramatically correct, so i must assume that you are not native from an english spoken country.
    Nevermind who you are.
    I have written in February, before you registered in this forum, a letter asking these things.
    I got an answer from Soke Cheek himself.
    If any reader believes that i did not forged out of a grudge :D please contact me in [email protected]

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  • kellyd
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  • manlobeiro
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    Originally posted by kellyd View Post
    I did a little digging myself last night and talked to Pat L about Helder. And I took alook at Helder's site also.
    1) Helder does not say he has a black belt in BJJ, but he saus he has an "Instructor level" in BJJ. That translates to a purple belt. It was given to him from the head of Gracie JJ in France with whom Helder has been taking lessons from. Pat has gone down there several times in the past year to help Helder teach seminars and to go to gradings with him.
    2) As for the 7th dan, I was mistaken. It was offered to Helder from Prof Morris and Helder refused it. He did not feel it was right at the time or that he was ready for it. he told Prof Morris he felt he was too young at this time for it. Besides as we all more or less know, after 4th dan, most belts are at the discretion of the senior instructors and time lines can be varried. There is a set amount of time but this can be waived with certain conditions.
    3) All this stuff about Helder comes only after his organization beacame a full Federation in Portugal. Funny isn't it.
    I have heard that there are some people from WEBBS there that do not like Helder and are trying to soil his name.. I don't know if that is true but I hope to god no one from WEBBS is that stupid and would try to ruin the organization that way.
    If they are doing such they should back the fuck off as I am sure Soke Cheek would not be impressed in any way by it.
    Deception is one thing, but to creat an outright lie is something that would never be forgiven in WEBBS.
    4) There are a few reasons Helder and WEBBS broke apart but I will not get into them here as I don't think it really is anyones business but WEBBS abd Helders....
    I respect both organizations greatly. JJI and WEBBS and have been members of both as well as being a current member of WEBBS but I have been invited to rejoin JJF as well.
    Whoever is doing all this is not doing anything good for either organization.
    As for Mike Carrier. He has not been known as Warriors of God for a while.. His school is UMMA here in Ottawa.
    Heler also won the Paris Open in 2001. Pat has seen the awards and has talked to many instructors that have verified it. Many are not even Helders students or associates.
    http://jujitsuemportugal.no.sapo.pt/http://www.ishinryu.com/dojo_alvalade.shtml

    Do you have any hard proof of what you claim?
    Please say who gave him lessons and belts in France so i can check it.
    Come on, get your act together.
    But you made me laugh, thank you.

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