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    Valadez Kenpo Blackbelt via e-bay review!

    OK, so I've been looking at this Valadez Kenpo Association. I have seen the website and all of the certifications that you can get. Their website is here:

    http://www.valadezkenpo.net/index.html

    On there website they allege that you can:

    "Earn a legitimate Black Belt entirely through distance study!

    If you are looking for no nonsense, real life, down to earth, nuts and bolts, life saving defensive tactics program, then you have found the right place.

    This is a free style Kenpo Combat system where you will not be required to learn forms. You will learn to defend yourself from the dangers found in our streets and walk in confidence while at the same time earning ranking within a martial arts system."

    They allege that there is a testing system and that belts are only given out after proper testing:

    "These ranks are earned and no promotion to the next level will be given without successfully demonstrating proficiency at the level testing for. If you are looking for an easy way to become a Certified Black Belt you will not find it at the Valadez Kenpo Association. Contact Sensei Valadez with questions."

    They also allege that there will be testing fees for each belt:

    "TESTING FEES
    Includes Belt and Rank Certificate
    Yellow Belt $50.00
    Orange Belt $50.00
    Purple Belt $50.00
    Blue Belt $50.00
    Green Belt $50.00
    Red Belt $50.00
    Brown Belt $50.00
    Black Belt 1st DAN $100.00
    Instructor Certification $50.00
    Black Belt 2nd & 3rd DAN $125.00 for each DAN Rank"

    The testing process is further broken down into required years or months of practice that must be completed before you can test for certain belts.

    There is also an instructor certification which allows you to open you own school. There is also allegedly a 50 dollar fee for that certification.


    All of this sounds like it could be a nice little distance learning course where you could earn credit and rank through video instruction and the demonstration of the techniques. However, one issue comes up repeatedly. You can find this Valadez Kenpo system for sale on e-bay for around 40 dollars. The ebay account is under the user name "valadezkenpoassociation".

    On the e-bay site you can buy the entire package or versions of the package for between 25 and 150 dollars depending on the package. When you purchase these packages, you receive the videos that are advertised on the Valadez website. You receive certificates for all belt levels up through 1st Dan Blackbelt. You also receive the Instructor certification. With the videos you receive a CD that has manuals on it and another one with testing information.

    You do not have to take any tests, you don't send in videos, you don't contact them with your qualifications. All you do is pay the amount on e-bay and you are an instant blackbelt.

    I actually bought this package and took pictures that I will include into this thread for verification of what you receive. I took the time to watch some of the videos to find out what kind of quality video they are putting out. I have to tell you that the information couldn't have been any worse. The instructor was stuttering and trying to find his words through the whole thing. The techiques taught were basic at best. Most of them had flaws in the technique. The video quality was very bad. It looks like it was shot on a home video recorder and then dubbed onto a DVD.

    There was a weopons defense video in the package. The techniques taught in the video would get you killed in any environment.

    So basically what you have here is a website that alleges quality distance learning. It appears to me that the website is just a nice little advertising tool for people who are trying to put off their certifications as legitimate. You could point someone to the website and say that you went through all of the testing.

    In reality all you did was order the whole program off e-bay. So I would say that anyone who is claiming a blackbelt in Valdez Kenpo or any of his programs are Bullshido.

    If anyone has any quesitons about this program, let me know as I am now a certified black belt and certified instructor in their system.
    Attached Files
    Combatives training log.

    Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

    Drum thread

    Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

    "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

    #2
    Have you contacted Mr Valadez to see if the ebay account was authorized by the Valadez Kenpo Association? I'm just curious if they know there's a huge loophole in their program.


    Oh, and how would I defend myself against someone choking me with one outstretched arm?
    "The pedant is he who finds it impossible to read criticism of himself without immediately reaching for his pen and replying to the effect that the accusation is a gross insult to his person. He is, in effect, a man unable to laugh at himself."Sigmund Freud, The Ego and the Id.

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      #3
      What's most astonishing to me is that they actually go to the trouble of providing you with all those dvds and certificates.

      I mean, it's obviously the world's shittiest scam, so wouldn't it be smarter and more efficient just to downright steal your money?

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        #4
        Yeah, I thought it was interesting how they don't put any dates on the lower level certificates. As if they know someone will ask about it.

        And yes, I contacted Mr. Valadez through e-mail to ask him about the shipping date. I will look and see if I saved that e-mail.

        I just checked and I did save the e-mail. I can post it if needed but I won't for now because it has personal info on it. But just so you know, it is an e-mail about the order shipping, and it came from the same address that is listed on the website.
        Last edited by Diesel_tke; 2/06/2009 8:39pm, .
        Combatives training log.

        Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

        Drum thread

        Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

        "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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          #5
          Originally posted by BaronVonDingDong
          What's most astonishing to me is that they actually go to the trouble of providing you with all those dvds and certificates.

          I mean, it's obviously the world's shittiest scam, so wouldn't it be smarter and more efficient just to downright steal your money?
          Then he would violate the e-bay terms and conditions. And if you go and look at his profile, you will see that he has sold a crap load of these packages.
          Combatives training log.

          Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

          Drum thread

          Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

          "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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            #6
            Great work, Diesel. Check PM.

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              #7
              Thanks Diesel...Im going to ask about this Nubreeds lil Certification when I go back to training lol

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                #8
                Yeah, the combination of his Valadez certs and his Mike O certs, should show you where he is coming from. This stuff is running pretty rampant on the internet. But the good thing is that we have this site where people can go to and try to weed out the fakes.

                The only distance learning program that I have seen that was legitimate is the JJ Machado program. Of course, they don't rank you...I think that is the key.
                Combatives training log.

                Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

                Drum thread

                Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

                "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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                  #9
                  The American Kenpo Legacy Association has a valid home study program. It is run by the Lamkin Brother's who studied under Al Tracy.

                  They have some pretty strict standards on how to test and what skills you must posess to pass the test, they also very much encourage testing via an associated school or certified instructor

                  arnis.org

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                    #10
                    Valandes and Carter Hargrave are on the same "world martial arts hall of fame" too,same distance learning scam sort of thing seems to be the run with afew of the guys on this board, I wonder if all the other soke's / Grand Marsters on the board with them are fakes aswell, same pattern of having mulitply blackbelts, being World Leaders in there arts, all the arts seem to sound close to legit organisations just with a key word added in the title somewhere, im in the wrong business ....sounds like the more shit they say the more money they get , money been the key word.

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                      #11
                      It has been common practice for these guys to trade black belts with each other. If they are willing to trade belts or certs, then it lets you know how ethical they are. But some of these people like Valadez, do not have a legitimate martial art in the first place. Their stuff is garbage.

                      Some of the people on the list you are talking about, have legit belts to begin with, but then pad their resume with fake belts. That ends up putting their legit certs into question and degrades the belt for all the people who worked hard for it.
                      Combatives training log.

                      Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

                      Drum thread

                      Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

                      "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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                        #12
                        the presedent of the valadez kenpoo association has legit rank and his programs are good and down to earth so back off and stop trashing the vka

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by kenpo_guy2003 View Post
                          the presedent of the valadez kenpoo association has legit rank and his programs are good and down to earth so back off and stop trashing the vka
                          Hi. Welcome to bullshido. As this is a website based on the martial arts consumers and their opinions, we would welcome your input.

                          Would you care to give any facts regarding the president of VKA's rank, and tell us your association with the programs, and your own personal experiences in the system?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by kenpo_guy2003 View Post
                            the presedent of the valadez kenpoo association has legit rank and his programs are good and down to earth so back off and stop trashing the vka
                            Hiya dude, welcome to Bullshido. Please have a look at the stickies at the top of the forum then head to Newbietown and make an introduction thread.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by kenpo_guy2003 View Post
                              the presedent of the valadez kenpoo association has legit rank and his programs are good and down to earth so back off and stop trashing the vka

                              Please elaborate on the bolded part. All I can find is that he gained his rank through a video program. I can find no information on him or his claimed instructors, outside of video instruction and his claims of training in a "backyard dojo."

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