Gene Simco Controversy: the pending court case

[Sam Browning]

This is an e-mail I received today from Heather Simco. I am reprinting it without alteration. I will however state that at Bullshido there have been multiple posters on this thread including myself who have stated that just because Gene is charged with a crime does not mean that he is guilty.

We intend to report the result of this criminal case, accurately. This includes whether the charges are dismissed, or Mr. Simco is found not guilty, or guilty. If the latter occurs we will report which charges resulted in conviction.

Next Heather alleges that there are mistakes in our wiki that are a result of "the smear campaign". When Heather writes again I will post her specific points in a thread on bullshido, and we can then review if there are indeed factual errors that have been written into this wiki. Until this time I reject the catagorization that any part of this article is a "smear".

[datdamnmachine]

This is an e-mail I received today from Heather Simco. I am reprinting it without alteration. I will however state that at Bullshido there have been multiple posters on this thread including myself who have stated that just because Gene is charged with a crime does not mean that he is guilty.

We intend to report the result of this criminal case, accurately. This includes whether the charges are dismissed, or Mr. Simco is found not guilty, or guilty. If the latter occurs we will report which charges resulted in conviction.

Next Heather alleges that there are mistakes in our wiki that are a result of "the smear campaign". When Heather writes again I will post her specific points in a thread on bullshido, and we can then review if there are indeed factual errors that have been written into this wiki. Until this time I reject the catagorization that any part of this article is a "smear".

Since this is the case, shouldn't the thread be renamed to Gene Simco Arrest Confirmed or something of that nature. Also, probably an aside regarding the fact that no information has been provided as to the alleged criminal act as of yet.

As for the issues Mrs. Simco has with the wiki article on her husband, that may be best served in another MABS article so as to leave this one strictly on the matter or Mr. Simco's arrest and subsequent charges, conviction, exoneration, etc.

[It is Fake]

Very interesting, and just to reiterate my stance.
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Wow, people really don't understand why we are sticklers for facts. I hope you find some hard evidence yes or no.

Since this is the case, shouldn't the thread be renamed to Gene Simco Arrest Confirmed or something of that nature. Also, probably an aside regarding the fact that no information has been provided as to the alleged criminal act as of yet.

Maybe add: "(Arrest confirmed)" until, we find out what happens. If their (Simco's) allegations are true, it could be construed as a smear campaign.

As for the issues Mrs. Simco has with the wiki article on her husband, that may be best served in another MABS article so as to leave this one strictly on the matter or Mr. Simco's arrest and subsequent charges, conviction, exoneration, etc.

I agree.

Next Heather alleges that there are mistakes in our wiki that are a result of "the smear campaign". When Heather writes again I will post her specific points in a thread on bullshido, and we can then review if there are indeed factual errors that have been written into this wiki. Until this time I reject the catagorization that any part of this article is a "smear".

Good idea, a separate thread will keep this one clear of rants and allegations of smear.

[Sam Browning]

I wrote back Heather and told her that while I rejected the allegation that the wiki article was a "smear", that if she wanted to specifiy what the inaccuracies were and provide what she considered to be the actual facts, we would post this on an open forum and start to go through the wiki. Any inaccuracies that were found could then be corrected, though I did say we will probably have to request additional proof from Mr. Simco regarding points he contests.

This will be best done on another thread.

[Sam Browning]

How about "smear campaign or good arrest?"

[7thSamurai]

Does it need to contain either of the phrases? It would seem to serve a negative connotation worded either way. I think it would do well to know which part of the wiki she feels is inaccurate. I do applaud her efforts in contacting Sam.

Sam, would you be able to offer commentary to the lay person about the statement from the lawyer?

[Snake Plissken]

Would the word "Actionable" be an appropriate adjective?

[Sam Browning]

No it does not need to contain either of those phrases.

It appears to be a fairly standard denial with an assertion that this case is being motivated by business considerations. It does not specify what the charges against Mr. Simco are. This does not surprise me, but I did write Heather Simco back and asked her if Gene Simco is being charged with the crimes that Phil has claimed.

[It is Fake]

Does it need to contain either of the phrases?

It already says smear Campaign but, I see what you mean.

He was arrested so, at some point, it does need to reflect that he was. I now understand why the paper is being so hesitant.

I do applaud her efforts in contacting Sam.

Sure do. The paper needs some Kudos in hedging their bets. I wouldn't be surprised if this was in play on their end.

Especially, with their worry about alleged competition posting on their forum. It makes their seemingly suspect actions understandable.

I think they know what is going on and choose not to print anything until, it all shakes out.

[JudOWNED]

"Smear campaign" is not a derogatory term toward Simco in the context of the title. The title poses the question, was there an actual arrest or are the claims about Simco (initially found elsewhere) just a "smear campaign"? In fact, the use of the phrase is actually in support of Simco by implying the allegations may simply be a smear campaign against him and not valid. I don't see why Simco or his wife would have a problem with the use of the phrase (do they, even?). In fact, the people who should be offended by the use of the phrase are the people who initially leveled the accusations at Simco.

[7thSamurai]

"Smear campaign" is not a derogatory term toward Simco in the context of the title.

I get that and understand what you're saying, however, some will view it as having a negative meaning given the material contained in the thread. I personally feel that "Gene Simco Controversy" effectively conveys they heart of the thread without opening it up to misunderstandings.

Sam, thanks for your response. I'm curious about the counter-claim made my Simco's lawyer. It seems like a conspiracy. Once this is cleared up, I'd be really interested in reviewing everything to see how the competing business problem works out.

[sambosteve]

Thanks to Simco's lawyer for sending a statement finally, and Simco's wife for contacting Sam.

I think the thread title "Gene Simco Controversey" would be fine. Simple and to the point. A new thread about his bio would seem to be in order. Let's not muck up this thread.

So, at this point, it is clear there was an arrest, charges made (charges not clarified), and a court date. This is more concrete than we have had so far and is no longer speculation.

At this point, we wait to see what happens at the arraignment. If the case is dismissed, we follow that new direction. If they are not. We wait for a trail. So unless, some new info comes up, it is a waiting game.

Also, if PoJo was aware of the counter claims, they did right by waiting on an article or posting in their paper.

[Sam Browning]

Okay guys, new rule. Until the court or prosecutor releases the alleged victim's name, I would ask that it not be printed on this thread. If Gene's lawyer wishes to send me an email arguing that this name should not be with-held he may. However his e-mail will be reproduced verbatum here.

[theotherserge]

fair enough, I just wouldn't want to see the same kind of speculation that we're seeing in other forums...

[sambosteve]

So she does appear in that photo? I think I know who it is, but I'll keep mum. Some time ago on another board, an ex-Simco student pointed out his sister in a NYMAG class photo. Of course, there may be more than one brother-sister combo among Simco's students...

I honestly don't know who the alleged victim is. If I did, I would not answer the question.