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    #76
    Doesn't UFC, Pride, K1 and all those others do the same thing? Is the general population supposed to think that all martial arts are is a bunch of guys just rolling around beating the shit out of each other? (BTW...this is not a shot at the MMA's, I respect them, I am just trying to make a point)Would you send your kid to a martial art school if you thought all he was going to do was get beat up or learn to beat people up?
    "Martial Arts"
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the fuck I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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      #77
      Wow, talk about cognative dissonance. From a mod even.

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        #78
        Dochter: yup.

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          #79
          Originally posted by Dochter
          Wow, talk about cognative dissonance. From a mod even.
          First of all do not use fancy words like that. They confuse me and hurt my brain. :p

          Being a Mod doesn't mean I have to go with the flow of the room. It is obvious that none of the other mods and admins agree with me on this. That is fine. Shit if we all agreed on every little issue, this would be a boring room.

          Also my actions and my thoughts are one in the same. I see no harm in all of this as it will bring in more buisness in the youth. Will people exploit it? Yes they will. People exploit everything in the martial arts. It will always be a buyer beware market.

          I just hope that the people I disagree with do not look at it as a personal attack or questioning of their abilities (accept for Boyd who is just a dumbass). I just hold a different view.
          Last edited by Miguksaram; 12/04/2003 11:35am, .
          Jeremy M. Talbott

          Originally posted by Phrost
          "Bullshido isn't just a place to hang out when you're browsing the net. We really are trying to accomplish something fucking extraordinary here that nobody's ever had the balls to do before."
          Originally posted by D.Murray
          "Which is better, to learn the truth, or to enjoy the illusion of being right when you are not?"
          Originally posted by hangooknamja88
          My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...


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            #80
            The removal of martial from "martial arts" isn't a good thing, ever.

            Form over substance is also certainly dilution.


            When I have children, if they choose to do martial arts they will be free to do what they want. My advice will be that whatever they do will have a fair bit of contact (when they are of an age to handle it). There are kid classes at both a local mma school and a local bjj school if I'm still in the area. When they are in high school I would hope they consider wrestling (I wasted my time with swimming and water polo:().
            In all reality they may not give two shits about martial arts, which would be fine as well.

            This last bit is for your reasons validating xma.

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              #81
              Just out of curiosity, if they would have never labled this XMA and labeled it XOF Xtreme Open Forms. Would this even be a topic? The only difference that is going on now that hasn't been done before, is that Mike packaged what was already being done and made it marketable. Forms like these in tournaments have been going on for years.

              When I have children, if they choose to do martial arts they will be free to do what they want. My advice will be that whatever they do will have a fair bit of contact (when they are of an age to handle it).
              I agree with you. I have 2 kids right now and they are active in the sparring classes (No, they are not MT or boxing classes) which has contact light to heavy depending on your rank and age.
              Jeremy M. Talbott

              Originally posted by Phrost
              "Bullshido isn't just a place to hang out when you're browsing the net. We really are trying to accomplish something fucking extraordinary here that nobody's ever had the balls to do before."
              Originally posted by D.Murray
              "Which is better, to learn the truth, or to enjoy the illusion of being right when you are not?"
              Originally posted by hangooknamja88
              My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...


              SUPPORT BULLSHIDO!

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                #82
                Originally posted by miguksaram
                Just out of curiosity, if they would have never labled this XMA and labeled it XOF Xtreme Open Forms. Would this even be a topic? The only difference that is going on now that hasn't been done before, is that Mike packaged what was already being done and made it marketable. Forms like these in tournaments have been going on for years.
                If it had been labeled XOF it would have been marketed as different than a "new breed of martial arts". What has been done is already marketable enough, that is why there is a focus on routine performance rather than defence efficacy in many places, it seems like simply another mcdojo enterprise, complete with flashy outfits. The McDojo posted awhile back with the DBZ paintings also demonstrated that its nothing new as well.

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                  #83
                  the reason this may be pissing alot of people off is because now there are going to be cheese dicks coming up people that they know do a martial art, and saying dumb things based on what they saw of this show. "hey you do MA right? yeah i saw that XMA show i would beat the shit out off you if you tried htat shit on me..." et fucken cetera

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                    #84
                    It's totally about the name. These guys are about as extreme as ballet; while their feats may be impressive in front of crowds, the skills don't transfer very well into the practical realm.

                    IMNSFHO, this is the wrong direction for MA to be moving in. All it'll take is the government supporting these guys, ala Wushu, and I'll be seriously concerned. A people that has forgotten its fists will accept tyrany much easier than one whos citizens could fight if need be.

                    This is exactly why the various forms of the Chinese government through the centuries have all tried to stamp out martial arts; with the latest tactic being dumbing them down into useless gymnastics and choreography. The Chinese party line is that "Citizens do not fight Citizens", but this translates to "Citizens do not fight their government".

                    And although it may very well be a bit alarmist to be drawing such a conclusion at this early stage in the game, I'd caution everyone to consider the ramifications of a society that is morally, and physically unarmed as opposed to one whos citizenry are more like the rugged individuals that founded the United States.

                    The XMA may be something great to get your kids into, or to keep people off the couch. But the problem, as with all other so-called martial arts that are 99% show, is that they are dishonestly marketed as being effective for self defense.

                    And this one seems to be going out of its way to present itself as the supreme form of fight training. It is ethically disgusting if you ask me.

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                      #85
                      Xtreme Martial Arts (whaling on an electric guitar while snowboarding down an avalanche here, folks) are great for people if you want to take the martial arts and systematically remove EVERYTHING cool from them, but for those of us who don't wear helmets to bed this is the worst thing for karate since Ralph Macchio.

                      It's honorable that they make no secret of the performance art roots of the style; that's good, because if self-defense was brought up at any time....wait, hold on. In the middle of typing I found this:

                      How do you feel about instructors who have very little full contact training? Do you think just knowing technique alone will carry you through a real self-defense situation, or do you need full-contact sparring?
                      As a traditional Okinawan Shorei-Ryu stylist, I am a firm believer in practical self-defense application of technique or what we call "Bunkai". Does one have to engage in regular full contact training? Although I have never done full contact sparring, we train self defense techniques in our style close to full contact but in a controlled setting. I believe in today's world, a well rounded instructor would be well versed in different types of sparring applications, street self-defense, ground fighting, etc. to prepare for a wide range of street situations. Thanks
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