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    Sean Douglas TigerPitt Phuket

    Anyone know the deal with this guy? He claims to have the only legit camp in Phuket. According to him, all of the other camps are filled with frauds.

    http://www.tigerpitt.com




    Chalong Chi fight team captain
    Nationality: American
    Age: 34
    Height: 5' 7"
    Weight: 135lbs
    Fighting name: Hungry Tiger
    Amateur fight record: Over 100 competitions
    Pro fight record: 24-4
    Accomplishments: Black belt in Okinawa Te Jets(bare knuckle karate), Tae Kwon Do, Pro fighter Muay Thai, Sanshou, and knockdown karate
    Developed "Take A Stance" women's self defense course
    Held Muay Thai seminars in Midwest and east coast America
    Has fought internationally in U.S.A., Thailand, Japan, Korea, Canada, Singapore
    Ranked #2 in Sanshou in the I.K.F.
    Fighting 12 times in Thailand including fights on channel 11 and historical Lumpinee stadium 10-2 record in Thailand
    Featured on Japanese, Korean, and Chinese T.V.
    Attended K-1 U.S.A. tryouts
    U.S. Marine Corps, 1993-1997 , Hand to hand combat instructor
    Trained numerous champions in various styles
    Trainer of F.B.I. D.E.A. S.A.S. Navy Seals and various police teams
    Trained at historical Kronk Boxing Gym in Detroit Mi.
    Dec 2006, KOTC Singapore title fight
    KOTC World Super Fight Champion at 60 Kg

    #2
    Originally posted by Deevolution
    Anyone know the deal with this guy? He claims to have the only legit camp in Phuket. According to him, all of the other camps are filled with frauds.

    http://www.tigerpitt.com




    Chalong Chi fight team captain
    Nationality: American
    Age: 34
    Height: 5' 7"
    Weight: 135lbs
    Fighting name: Hungry Tiger
    Amateur fight record: Over 100 competitions
    Pro fight record: 24-4
    Accomplishments: Black belt in Okinawa Te Jets(bare knuckle karate), Tae Kwon Do, Pro fighter Muay Thai, Sanshou, and knockdown karate
    Developed "Take A Stance" women's self defense course
    Held Muay Thai seminars in Midwest and east coast America
    Has fought internationally in U.S.A., Thailand, Japan, Korea, Canada, Singapore
    Ranked #2 in Sanshou in the I.K.F.
    Fighting 12 times in Thailand including fights on channel 11 and historical Lumpinee stadium 10-2 record in Thailand
    Featured on Japanese, Korean, and Chinese T.V.
    Attended K-1 U.S.A. tryouts
    U.S. Marine Corps, 1993-1997 , Hand to hand combat instructor
    Trained numerous champions in various styles
    Trainer of F.B.I. D.E.A. S.A.S. Navy Seals and various police teams
    Trained at historical Kronk Boxing Gym in Detroit Mi.
    Dec 2006, KOTC Singapore title fight
    KOTC World Super Fight Champion at 60 Kg
    Frauds? in what way?
    This place has a forum you can ask questions about other gyms.
    http://www.rawaimuaythai.com/
    Last edited by johnny3443; 4/22/2008 4:52pm, . Reason: spelling

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      #3
      He stated that the other gyms in Phuket put their students into worked fights and some of the trainers have fabricated records.

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        #4
        What are your specific claims of fraud? Outline what is fraudulent in his credentials, services or his claims.


        Going through the website he is advertising he is the best gym.

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          #5
          met sean briefly when i was at rawai muay thai in 2005. seemed like a really nice guy. was a good martial artist. left before he set up his own camp/gym.

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            #6
            He really said that?

            If this is true its absolutely unbelievable.

            There's loads of muay thai gyms in phuket and tigerpitt used to be one of the better ones (its shut down now) but how can he possibly claim all the other gyms are filled with frauds and he has the only legit gym on the island?

            Now THAT really is BS.

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              #7
              He might be some BS worth investigating... But there aint much left to investigate, really. LOL.

              Chalong Chai is located literally about 200m from Tiger Muay Thai - that is the gym I train at and am at now.

              Chalong Chai has officially closed down in that location, but they may reopen elsewhere. I dont know. The ring there has just been sold to my gym, and been put up, and the bags and other equiptment are coming over as well. Simply, their gym sucked too much, and they lost their customers to Tiger. Whichever gym decided to build on the same street as another was an idiot, but I dont know who was there first, but in the end Tiger won.

              About fight rigging, I am not certain, but am told he is the one rigging.

              Hmn, I will post you the PM I got from the owner of Tiger Muay Thai when I enquired about the gym closing down, then you guys know what I know:

              Sawasdee Bow,
              Sorry, name post got me confused.
              I hope you and wife are doing better.
              Yes, they closed after a failed attempt at competing with TMT. I agreed to buy the ring and bags. They have closed and posted news on website. The foreigner that owned it, supposedly, was also accused of setting up fights and paying people to lose. Soon the land will be bungalows for TMT guests.

              Cheers

              Will
              I could not see any post on their web site, but. I dunno.

              The place would not have gotten customers come back after the first stay, anyway. It had only 1 ring, several bags, and really no room for training larger numbers of students... It was too small.

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                #8
                Originally posted by It is Fake
                What are your specific claims of fraud? Outline what is fraudulent in his credentials, services or his claims.


                Going through the website he is advertising he is the best gym.
                Well his gym sucked. I find most gyms in Thailand are not what they seem on the net. I have only been impressed overly by 1 yet, and that is Tiger Muay Thai. Another good gym I have seen, but not trained at, yet they have good rep and good facilities, coz I been there, is Sinbi Muay Thai, also in Phuket.

                Other gyms might have good trainers, but most lack facilities or room or something. Some gyms do not have good trainers. Muay Thai Institute in Bangkok trainers were shockers. I left there. I did not want to be trained by old drunks, even if they did have good fight records from back in their day, their day has been and gone.

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                  #9
                  ' Sawasdee Bow,
                  Sorry, name post got me confused.
                  I hope you and wife are doing better.
                  Yes, they closed after a failed attempt at competing with TMT. I agreed to buy the ring and bags. They have closed and posted news on website. The foreigner that owned it, supposedly, was also accused of setting up fights and paying people to lose. Soon the land will be bungalows for TMT guests.

                  Cheers

                  Will '

                  Yes he has been accused of setting up fights and paying people to lose - by you.

                  Just as you have been accused of setting up fights and paying people to lose - by him.


                  It didn't close 'cos of TMT it closed cos 'the foreigner that owned it' Sean Douglas (who used to be one of the owners of TMT, hence all the aggro) left the country and split up with his wife who was the co-owner.

                  Prior to the gym shutting down it had about 9 students training, as Sean claimed he never allowed more than 9 students there at a time anyway, I don't think it was doing too badly.

                  Chalong chai was a good place to train.

                  TMT probably is a good place to train (ive never trained there so i can't comment)

                  So why go to so much trouble to slag each other off?

                  It seems kind of sad.

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                    #10
                    i have trained at Tiger Muay Thai, and Rawai, and I can say hands down that Tiger is the better of the two(and not just in Muay Thai) indeed the best gym I have ever trained at, so good I haven't been able to find a gym at home that is as good. i continue to be dissapointed everywhere i go lol. (thanks will)

                    If this guy said that, he was smokin' something.

                    =Niki

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                      #11
                      I trained for 5 weeks at Seans gym in Phuket. I find it hard to believe that he would make a blanket statement like that. If you have ever been to Thailand it is fairly obvious that many furongs fight worked fights. Even though he had some business dispute with the owner of Tiger I never heard him say a bad word about any of the trainers or their training practices. I actually met him in America and was origionally planning on training at Tiger until I met him. Even though he knew this he sold me on his gym rather than trashing the others, I was completely satisfied with my experience.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Deevolution
                        He stated that the other gyms in Phuket put their students into worked fights and some of the trainers have fabricated records.

                        It seems to me that almost every fighter in Thailand has a fabricated record. I don't think this is something they do to be fraudulent I think that when you have so many fights it is kinda hard to keep exact track of the fights. I have seen many gyms advertise that their fighters have 100 fights 150 fights 400 fights, I always found it hard to believe that so many fighters landed on such round numbers.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by danielson
                          It seems to me that almost every fighter in Thailand has a fabricated record. I don't think this is something they do to be fraudulent I think that when you have so many fights it is kinda hard to keep exact track of the fights. I have seen many gyms advertise that their fighters have 100 fights 150 fights 400 fights, I always found it hard to believe that so many fighters landed on such round numbers.
                          Thats absolutely bang on. Once they've had more than about 20 fights they just stop counting and always round it to the nearest 100 / 50. Plus they don't really seem to keep track of how many they win lose.

                          Anyway muay thais not like some martial arts where maybe all the instructor does is issue instructions and you never actually see them do anything. Pretty much all the trainers fight fairly regularly, they all spar with students, hold pads (which isn't as easy as it looks) etc so there'd be no point lying about your record as you'd be found out straight away.

                          As for fixing fights. Farangs generally (not always) fight thais who are half their size, many of whom (not all, in fairness) are just fighting for the money and not loking to win. I've seen thais take a dive, feign injuries etc but why would a gym bother paying a fighter to lose when theres about a 95% chance their fighters going to win anyway? I t doesn't make sense.

                          I suspect that no-one has lied about their record, no-one has tried to fix fights and that the current and former owners of TMT are just slinging mud at one another.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by jamesg1980
                            Yes he has been accused of setting up fights and paying people to lose - by you.

                            Just as you have been accused of setting up fights and paying people to lose - by him.
                            Are you fucking stupid or what? I did not accuse him, I repeated what I had heard for the sake of the thread. Retard.

                            Originally posted by jamesg1980
                            Prior to the gym shutting down it had about 9 students training, as Sean claimed he never allowed more than 9 students there at a time anyway, I don't think it was doing too badly.
                            If you could see it now, it is dwarfed by Tiger. And this is the point where it has shut down. Tiger is right next to it, and litterallt 5 times the size and better equiped. I fail to see this had nothing to do with it.

                            Originally posted by danielson
                            If you have ever been to Thailand it is fairly obvious that many furongs fight worked fights.
                            If that hapens it is not professional fighting you are talking about, but small fights that dont mean shit anyway. Many white men fight in the big BKK stadiums like Lumpini and OneSongchais ring, they are NOT worked, or if they are and it was found about the promoter would be outta a business and the fighter outta a country. Thailand has a reliable professional curcuit.

                            Originally posted by danielson
                            It seems to me that almost every fighter in Thailand has a fabricated record. I don't think this is something they do to be fraudulent I think that when you have so many fights it is kinda hard to keep exact track of the fights. I have seen many gyms advertise that their fighters have 100 fights 150 fights 400 fights, I always found it hard to believe that so many fighters landed on such round numbers.
                            I can't reply with 100% certainty, but you might not be taking one thing into account. I have met some old guys who boast over 200 fights. Are you aware they are counting the fights they did when they were 14 and 15 as well??? A lot of little boys start Muay Thai young, and do little fights in small village rings and in shoddy rings under old bridges and stuff in BKK as well. This is less common now, but if an old guy tells you he has done this many fights it is not impossible, esp. when he dont have the memory toprove it and you introduce yourself to him 10 times in 1 day! Look at it like this: a fighter can do 1 fight a month, that is 12 a year, so to do 200 fights, that is ... whoa, 16 years... So if they did start at 14, they would have to fight every month until they were 30... ... ... ... I dunno, maybe you are right. As for the round numbers, yeah, they round it up a little, but no guy can mistake to round 37 fights up to 150, so...
                            Last edited by Tenchu; 5/26/2008 1:43am, .

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Tenchu
                              Are you fucking stupid or what? I did not accuse him, I repeated what I had heard for the sake of the thread. Retard.



                              .


                              a) I was addressing the guy who wrote the comment, i clearly quoted the entire comment with the name of the person, Will, who had made it at the bottom. In no way did i address you, mention your name or suggest that you were the person who had accused him. In fact your name never even featured on my thread.


                              b)Thai's start fighting as young as 5 or 6 but if it is a professional fight under professional rules, which it normally is except they fight 3 rounds instead of 5, then it counts as far as I'm concerned.

                              c) Tigerpitt / chalong chai actually did quite well out of tiger as the small minority of people who didn't like the training at tiger tended to end up there.

                              Chalong chai shut down because Sean and his wife Bo, who owned the gym, split up, Sean moved back to the states and Bo decided she didn't want to run the gym anymore.

                              Tenchu I am sorry that I caused confusion with my previous post or if it offended you in anyway, it was not my intention.

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