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    Goshin Do/Goshin Jutsu karate rears its silly head again

    Looks like the Goshin-Do Karate silliness is starting up again in Greensboro, NC. One Ralph Porfilio, who claims high rank in this "system", is apparently opening a new school there.


    History of the style, from here:

    http://www.webspawner.com/users/goshinjutsu/index.html

    Jerry Durant, a Frenchman, was born in Japan sometime around 1925. We do not know for sure because they did not keep birth records back then and his parents, being foreigners, feared he would be killed so they kept his birth a secret and never let details known.

    When Jerry was young, his father became friendly with a Samurai Prince name Murikami. Murikami introduced Kungfu to Japan and organized the fledgling Okinawan arts that were recently introduced to Japan into what is now known as Karate. Mutikami was also skilled in Judo, Jujitsu and Aikijitsu. He taught all of the arts to Jerry Durant as a means of paying back the family for thier friendship. Also he feared Jeared Jerry would be killed by the Japanese people and wanted to make sure he could always defend himself. Jerry was taight all of the deadliest secrets of the Japanese, Okinawan and Chinese martial arts.

    When Jerry moved to the United States sometime around 1969, he found Karate had become very popular. But what was being taught in the US was only sport Karate. The deadly technqiues were taken out. So Jerry organized all of the once secret teachings into what is now known as "Goshin Jutsu". There is "Goshin Jutsu Karate", "Goshin Jutsu Aikijitsu" and "Goshin Jutsu Kenjitus" - which is the deadly art of Samurai Sword Fighting. Master Durant was awarded the title of Kyoto - the only non-Japanese in history to receive this honor.


    The Yudan-Shakai, or governing body, promoted Master Durant to 10th Dan in 1974 following the death of his instructor. Ralph Porfilio is one of Durant's students and continues to teach this style in Greensboro, NC
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    #2
    Well, the prices aren't bad so they have that going for them.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Extinct

      Jerry Durant, a Frenchman, was born in Japan sometime around 1925. We do not know for sure because they did not keep birth records back then and his parents, being foreigners, feared he would be killed so they kept his birth a secret and never let details known.

      so you hide the fact that you are a foreigner by hiding your birth record? a frenchman among the japanese?? this is ridiculous. this is years after the WW1... during which the japanese were allied to the french (mostly to take over german colonies but still). i really don't think that in 1925 the japanese would kill foreigners just for being foreigners.

      and wtf is a samurai prince? after the meiji restoration, the only "samurais" were ronins.

      likely written by someone who had only remote knowledge of japanese history, possibly inspired by mangas.

      painful read of bullshit...

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        #4
        So, are all the Goshin Jutsu schools BS? Does anyone know about the Goshin Jutsu at the University of Illinois?

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          #5
          Originally posted by GettingLessFat
          So, are all the Goshin Jutsu schools BS? Does anyone know about the Goshin Jutsu at the University of Illinois?
          If they claim Durant in the lineage, yep. Do they?

          Interesting. I just found another "history" of ole Jerry. This was posted on e-budo a few years ago:

          Thanks, Tim. I just found a very interesting "biography" of Mr. Durant. The worshipful, awestruck tone of this article is typical of the cult-like atmosphere at my friend's Goshin Do dojo. The entire article (quite long) is at the following URL:

          http://pw1.netcom.com/~mtran/newsletter9901.html

          For those who are just interested in a synopsis, I've condensed the article here, adding my own subtitles (in bold).

          Mystical Oriental Beginnings...The Rambo rep and of course, the CIA!Trained under all the masters of the Orient (and of course became a ninja too)!
          Magical Powers!

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            #6
            Keep in mind there's also Kuniba-ryu Goshin-jutsu/Goshindo, which is a legitimate lineage (I can't speak for its effectiveness, tough) based on karate and a bunch of other things.

            This document:

            home.rochester.rr.com/goshinsenjitsu/ONE%20HISTORICAL%20VERISON.doc

            . . . contains several versions of Durant Goshin history. Note that the teacher mentioned in the original is a part of Durant's version.
            Last edited by eyebeams; 12/02/2007 8:20pm, .

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              #7
              Why do you think this is "legitimate lineage"??

              Jerry Durant's martial arts "credentials" have been PROVEN to be completely and absolutely fraudulent. Any style that refers to him as any kind of founder has fraud in their lineage.

              Interesting that they are adding an "e" to the end of his name now. Um, the name was Durant, not "Durante".

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                #8
                Originally posted by burnedbudoka
                Why do you think this is "legitimate lineage"??

                Jerry Durant's martial arts "credentials" have been PROVEN to be completely and absolutely fraudulent. Any style that refers to him as any kind of founder has fraud in their lineage.
                Learn to read. I said no such thing, idiot.

                There is a Goshindo that was founded by the late Shogo Kuniba that has a legitimate lineage stemming from his studies of Karate, Iai, Kobudo and other arts. It has schools in the United States.

                Goshin is also a generic term for self defense.

                Therefore, before you shit on a school because it has "Goshin" in the name, you must determine whether it comes from Durant's organization, Kuniba's lineage or something else. This is further confused as apparently, one of the narratives in the document I linked has Durant trying to graft himself onto the Kuniba lineage. See:

                http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showpost...02&postcount=1

                . . . for details on this dodgy attempt at associating with Kuniba.

                Unlike you, I actually Used the Power of Google to settle this and determined that the teacher in question is affiliated with Durant, not Kuniba. This is important, because there are two lineages that come from Shogo Kuniba, as after his death some of his students followed an American named William H. Price who Kuniba had formally named successor, and some followed one of the senior Japanese teachers and through him, the Kuniba family.

                Next time, do the research instead of going "LUK GOSHINSTUFF."

                Anyway, future reference:

                Shogo Kuniba at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dg%C5%8D_Kuniba

                William Price's organization: http://www.chikubukai.org/main.php?section=history

                Seishinkai (also formerly involved with Kuniba's teachings -- he was the 3rd head of the organization. Shito-ryu): http://www.seishinkai.com/

                Kunibakai (follows the Kuniba family line): http://www.kunibakai.com/

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                  #9
                  The video tape talked about in the e-budo posts about this (http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9092) i am in the process of uploading to youtube. I talked to ken and he has given me permission to upload it. its about 4 hours long in total...so what is on youtube will be highlights...but i will have a full download available for anyone who wants it.

                  -Phil

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                    #10
                    My master recieved an 8th degree black belt in goshin jutsu from master durant. i honestly doubt most of the stuff about him is true, but i know that goshin jutsu IS effective in street fighting. so he might not have had a good past but it works so it doesnt really mater where he learned karate as long as it keeps you alive

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                      #11
                      hey man...if you ever really wanna talk about that stuff let me know.

                      id love talk over phone or aim about it

                      i was under a goshin instructor for about 4 years....i believe he was a 5th or 6th dan. id be happy to answer any qeustions you have about it.

                      -phil

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by bigphilwastaken
                        hey man...if you ever really wanna talk about that stuff let me know.

                        id love talk over phone or aim about it

                        i was under a goshin instructor for about 4 years....i believe he was a 5th or 6th dan. id be happy to answer any qeustions you have about it.

                        -phil

                        sure i dont have aim but i got a myspace if you dot one of those or ill probably get aim soon or e-mail or w/e

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                          #13
                          I found this buried deep in the recesses of e-budo. It's dated a few years ago.




                          1. Was Mr. Durant born in Japan and/or was he half-Japanese?

                          Answer: No. Mr. Durant was born in Utica, NY in 1922 to American parents.


                          2. Did Mr. Durant study karate in Japan and bring the style Goshin Jutsu to the US from Japan?

                          Answer: No, in fact there is no evidence that Mr. Durant was ever in Japan at any time during his life. He did not "jump ship" anywhere.


                          3. Did Mr. Durant learn the style in Japan from a "samurai prince"?

                          Answer: No. See answer to question #2. Also, there is no such thing as a"samurai prince". The Samurai were extinct as a class in Japan long before Mr. Durant made his claims, and besides, they don't have "Princes". The Samurai were warriors, not royalty.


                          4. Where, when, from whom and in what style did Mr. Durant receive his shodan?

                          Answer: Mr. Durant never earned any dan ranking in any form of Traditional karate. Evidence indicates that Mr. Durant promoted himself to shodan in the early 1960's in Erie, PA.


                          5. Is Goshin Jutsu a classical form of traditional Japanese karate?

                          Answer: No. It is a completely fabricated style which was made up by Mr. Durant.


                          6. Are the Goshin katas such as Ichi Bando, Yonaka, Kishu, etc. classical katas with Japanese/ Samurai roots?

                          Answer: No. Mr. Durant made the katas up himself, which is why no one from legitimate karate styles has ever heard of them.


                          7. Are promotions in Goshin Jutsu handled in the traditional manner of classical Japanese karate?

                          Answer: No. Since the style is made-up, it has no ties to any legitimate karate associations which issue rank. Thus, in Goshin, instructors either promote themselves or each other to high rank, and in some cases,are even promoted by their own students.


                          8. Is the Japanese terminology used by Goshin Jutsu/Goshin Do correct?

                          Answer: No. Instructors of the style use and pronounce many of the common terms improperly, and also have made-up many phrases without regard to their actual Japanese meaning. For instance, Mr. Durant called himself "Kyoto", telling his students it meant "great teacher".In Japan the term actually means "assistant principal of a public school". It is obvious that Mr. Durant could not speak or understand Japanese and that the terms he did use were probably copied out of books. Similarly, the kanji Mr. Durant printed on promotional certificates has been studied and found to be gibberish, probably copied sloppily from books.


                          9. Was the style handed down by Chinese bandits, ninjas or samurai?

                          Answer. No. See questions 1-6.


                          10. Is the style considered in present day to be a legitimate form of Japanese karate?

                          Answer: No. Few legitimate karate organizations have even heard of Goshin Jutsu. It is generally understood to be a made-up style pretending to be legitimate.

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                            #14
                            double post - deleted
                            Last edited by Pacer; 12/13/2007 2:26pm, . Reason: doublepost

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                              #15
                              http://www.defendwithhonor.com/articles/article2.html

                              ok the truth of goshin jutsu karate:

                              all the stuff about durant going to japan is false and was propogated by william cavalier, joe brague, and bob bohack all of whom gave themselves high ranks in the system. This happened because of internal politics that fell apart due to egos. the link above has the article that tells the truth from durants son. Whether you think the style is legitimate or not doesn't really matter. technically there are only 5 recognized styles by the japan martial arts federation and they were made around 1940. So whats 20 years?

                              I have 8 yrs in goshin jutsu from stephan capellas branch of the system and it is evolving, there are ties to shori ryu, aikido, and judo/jujitsu schools in the pittsburgh area that are all growing together. so it may have rough starts but its growing.

                              I personally have experience in aikido from the southern maryland aikiki (whose instructor was an instructor at capital aikiki) and I found it amazing how what I learned in goshin jutsu applied to aikido. many of the principles and body mechanics where the same but there was a different intention.

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