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    #46
    Originally posted by bigphilwastaken
    the majority of the people who are involved in this issue dont make any claims about his personal ability OUTSIDE of what we have seen on video and 1st and expereince. so i really dont understand where this comment is coming from.

    and even if hes bruce lee combined with chuch norris and thor...hes still a fraud
    what im saying is Bill isn't a fraud because he has black belts in MA's that arent considerd frauds, many of his techniques are from kempo and shotokan as well as Pai Lum

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      #47
      Originally posted by btbl
      I called him Master cuz thats what i consider him to be
      Umm, okaay. Maybe your personal relationship with him ought to remain private.

      Durant had a shodan in judo
      Who convinced you of this?

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        #48
        if he claims rank from dauraunt, or continues to tell the goshin lies...then he is a fraud...or he is a victim of fraud. if he dosent...the i guess hes not(well at least about this topic...i dont know the guy)

        Originally posted by btbl
        what im saying is Bill isn't a fraud because he has black belts in MA's that arent considerd frauds, many of his techniques are from kempo and shotokan as well as Pai Lum

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          #49
          im done with this bullshit topic

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            #50
            I briefly studied at Goshin Jutsu at Royal in Erie, which as mentioned earlier is run, and afaik still is, by James Locke. The years were 1990-93 and i received the first of 3 degrees of brown belt. I can address some of Sisyphus questions from earlier in the thread, but first let me say that at the time I was young and had little frame of reference to critically analyze the school or style. My knowledge of other Japanese arts aside from Judo are purely academic, as the rest of my MA training as an adult have avoided these styles (shotokan/goju ryu etc).

            Q1;If your teachers are claiming to be traditional Japanese karate and practice kata, then, are your Goshin style's kata mostly similar other orthodox styles?

            Only very superficially, I have seen many Shotokan and Okinawan Kata as well as all of the Goshin ones and the individual strikes, kicks and blocks are basically identical. However the GJ kata always struck me as flashy and involved compared to the more simplistic trad. Kata.
            I believe that, in part, the forms were designed from the start, to do well in the Kata competitions, which during my time there was a very big part of the experience, as well as point sparring. I understand these types of "Martial Arts" tourneys are very common still today, and at the time i thought it was pretty cool to be involved with it. In retrospect i think they are sad affairs and make people worse fighters, esp. the no contact point sparring. Also , Royal put on most of the tourneys in the Erie area at the time, fwtw.

            Q2;Should a question not be made to your instructors, why the major differences?

            In the modern internet age, with all the information available, there is no excuse for frauds to go uncovered. In the 80s and early 90s no one ever suspected. Also there were much more obvious and incredibly blatant frauds in the area. And with the acceptance of the other "legit" schools in the area (the Billy Blanks franchise among them), and the heavy Japanese flavor to everything, it was/is an attractive martial arts product.

            Q3;Do Goshin kata have names common with established Japanese / Okinawan systems?

            This ones easy. No. Much of the Japanese was the sort of stuff learned from a basic Instructional Language Booklet or Jap 101 in college. Much of it was mispronounced, mis translated, or false but Japanese sounding. Much more has been said previously in this topic then I can expand on.

            I met Jerry Durant about a year before his death. He was wheel chair bound and quite ill. Any questioning of him or his claims was certain grounds for punishment if not expulsion.

            On a side note the Aiki and Judo side dishes to the main course of BS Krotty were identical to mainstream teachings. The judo in particular i've studied more since, and all the techniques and names were orthodox Kodokan. The practice was much less rigorous though , as it was considered an accessory to the main style.

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              #51
              Originally posted by btbl
              im done with this bullshit topic
              Probably just as well. You were in danger of having your head pulled out of your ass if you'd stayed much longer.

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                #52
                ok im back, lol, i've been doing some reading and searching and from that i noticed one, Hanshi Cavelier rarely mentions master durant, two none of the katas in our styles were influenced by goshin other then one which is the last one, three the karate is more influenced by shotokan(which is where most of the katas come from) and Pai Lum, and four the Aiki JuJutsu was changed a great deal from goshins. So he actualy has drawn away from Goshin alot in the past few years. and thats my last comment promise

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by btbl
                  ok im back, lol, i've been doing some reading and searching and from that i noticed one, Hanshi Cavelier
                  You worship the guy as your "master" yet can't even spell his name?

                  Hmm.



                  p.s. NONE of the Durant students, inclucing your "master" (lol) have a legitimate black belt. That means that, unless they tossed the Durant belt in the trash, put on a white belt and started over, they are FRAUDS.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Extinct
                    You worship the guy as your "master" yet can't even spell his name?

                    Hmm.



                    p.s. NONE of the Durant students, inclucing your "master" (lol) have a legitimate black belt. That means that, unless they tossed the Durant belt in the trash, put on a white belt and started over, they are FRAUDS.
                    one, ive mentioned in another thread i have disgraphia so thank. two, your wrong but thats ok cuz im sure your wrong on alot of things other then this. and three, worship him my ass, i already i just said that cuz it sounds better in my voice then his actual title. lol some people just don't know how to pay fucking attention

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by btbl
                      one, ive mentioned in another thread i have disgraphia so thank. two, your wrong but thats ok cuz im sure your wrong on alot of things other then this. and three, worship him my ass, i already i just said that cuz it sounds better in my voice then his actual title. lol some people just don't know how to pay fucking attention
                      Translation: I've made a total fool of myself on this website and now I'ma throwin' a tantrum.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by goshinkaratekid
                        I have seen this list of "evidence" before and I met Ken Allgier about 6 yrs ago in borders at the martial arts section (he was kinda creepy, anyways...) The most important thing is that i like it and i have a lot of fun in class and have met some really good people. I don't think in todays martial arts lineage is the most important thing, especially with the popularity of MMA Many of those people get so much information from different people that they never get a firm foundation. Goshin has developed a foundation of basics and they are highly stressed in class. Fortunately if I ever do end up in a confrontation my oponent won't make me take a written test of my teachers teachers teacher. As far as application, I have won many tournaments in my martial carreer, have had one minor incident where I had to subdue some one, and have seen a fellow black belt who is a security guard subdue someone. So maybe we don't have traditional kata (they do have bunkai) but I have a good time doing it and I believe in it
                        Much like any religion, whether you believe in it or not does not make it reality.

                        In any event, this the BS forum, where fraud and lies are exposed - that's ITS point. My Judo instructor just got promoted to 4th dan - fine, he can certainly kick my ass. But the minute he starts saying that the learned Judo by Osmosis from Kano bricking on his face while in the super secret squirrel program of the CIA Stargate program, then I would be the first to stand up and call BS.

                        Regardless if you like GJ or not, the overriding message of this entire site is pretty much that most of the time if its not BJJ, MT, Sambo, Judo, boxing etc, then it pretty much sucks anyway, so combining some other "style" with an instructor who otherwise lies up a storm should worry the hell out of you.:deadhorse

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by rush2024
                          Much like any religion, whether you believe in it or not does not make it reality.
                          I notice too that "goshinkaratekid" admits he's seen all of the evidence. But instead of offering any evidence to refute it, he lobs a childish personal insult at the messenger (Ken). So very typical of cult member behavior.

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                            #58
                            1994-2000

                            I trained at Ralph's place on Chapman for six years. The last three I wasn't around all that much, but I got to know Tommy Hudson pretty well. I'm sorry to hear he's been treated poorly.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by hideouse
                              I trained at Ralph's place on Chapman for six years. The last three I wasn't around all that much, but I got to know Tommy Hudson pretty well. I'm sorry to hear he's been treated poorly.
                              Tom is a good man.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by hideouse
                                I trained at Ralph's place on Chapman for six years
                                Ralph is not.

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