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    Hi
    Yesterday i was talking whit an internet self defense expert , this guy 's claiming that the MACP is no more the self defense system used by the U.S army .

    here's the conversation ( in italian sorry )
    http://www.forumartimarziali.com/for...?topic=23418.0

    It's a Bullshit or it's Oxcrap ?

    sorry for my english

    Thanks

    #2
    Bullshit. MACP is more widespread and accepted than ever.

    I speak as a Soldier in the US Army.

    Asia, care to add?

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      #3
      I've heard some talk by folks that LINE training was making some sort of comeback... That'd be extraordinarily sad since LINE is so much bullshit (even on paper) that I feel a need to bathe whenever I read about it.

      However, I'd also heard from a Level 4 instructor that the Schoolhouse is making gains by leaps and bounds, despite some resistance in higher ranks who want a return to the bygone era of former HTH manuals (I've heard some folks comment that the older folks think rolling on the ground is too gay, too dangerous in a combat zone - broken glass, rocks, and all, y'know - and so they want to move toward the punchy-kicky-knifey stuff again).

      Whatever. Ask the guy who he was certified by, who he actually heard this from, and I suspect he'll balk and fail to pony up with hard facts that could/would confirm such a story.

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        #4
        The Army is looking to certify even more combatives instructors than ever.

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          #5
          I agree with yrkoon9 Even my National Guard unit just sent 2 guys to become level 2 so they can bring combatives to my Army Guard.

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            #6
            MACP might evolve a little more, but it's going nowhere. The main problem is people like me, who disagree with teaching groundfighting without at least covering how to get there, let alone giving you a few options prior to getting there.

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              #7
              If you have been to combatives you know how to get the ground. I rember in my punch day (a day where you drill getting in for the take down) all the Sgts. get to punch the crap outta you and all you can do is try to clinch for the take down. I had a busted lip and we even had a broken nose in our class. And thats all in level 1.

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                #8
                TheSlade, there's having been to the combatives class, and there's the amount that most soldiers get, which is once in a great while.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by TheSlade
                  If you have been to combatives you know how to get the ground. I rember in my punch day (a day where you drill getting in for the take down) all the Sgts. get to punch the crap outta you and all you can do is try to clinch for the take down. I had a busted lip and we even had a broken nose in our class. And thats all in level 1.
                  Sounds like fun

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Zio_Missile
                    Hi
                    Yesterday i was talking whit an internet self defense expert , this guy 's claiming that the MACP is no more the self defense system used by the U.S army .

                    here's the conversation ( in italian sorry )
                    http://www.forumartimarziali.com/for...?topic=23418.0

                    It's a Bullshit or it's Oxcrap ?

                    sorry for my english

                    Thanks
                    The guy is full of shit.

                    MACP is growing more and more. Its unlike most prior incarnations of Combatives, MACP is Common Task (meaning that it is required for EVERYONE to do it).
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                    RIP SOLDIER

                    Didn't anyone ever tell him a fat man could never be a ninja
                    -Gene, GODHAND

                    You can't practice Judo just to win a Judo Match! You practice so that no matter what happens, you can win using Judo!
                    The key to fighting two men at once is to be much tougher than both of them.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by bushi_no_ki
                      MACP might evolve a little more, but it's going nowhere. The main problem is people like me, who disagree with teaching groundfighting without at least covering how to get there, let alone giving you a few options prior to getting there.
                      Building from the ground up isn't a bad idea. Its the area most pple are uncomfortable with and takes awhile to get used to. Strikes and takedowns are easier to teach becuase that is most pple comfort zone already when it comes to fighting.
                      ______
                      Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invincible Asia) Dark Emperor of Baji!!!

                      RIP SOLDIER

                      Didn't anyone ever tell him a fat man could never be a ninja
                      -Gene, GODHAND

                      You can't practice Judo just to win a Judo Match! You practice so that no matter what happens, you can win using Judo!
                      The key to fighting two men at once is to be much tougher than both of them.
                      -Daniel Tosh

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                        #12
                        This is going to sound like dumbass question but here it goes.

                        Do soldiers grapple with their gear on during some training sessions? If soldiers option is to grapple on battlefield, he or she would be wearing gear no?

                        can't imagine how its like to grapple with taht stuff on

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by babo78
                          This is going to sound like dumbass question but here it goes.

                          Do soldiers grapple with their gear on during some training sessions? If soldiers option is to grapple on battlefield, he or she would be wearing gear no?

                          can't imagine how its like to grapple with taht stuff on
                          Depends on who is running your program.

                          At first there is no gear but I intergrate it with MOUT where they will have it on plus weapon.
                          ______
                          Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invincible Asia) Dark Emperor of Baji!!!

                          RIP SOLDIER

                          Didn't anyone ever tell him a fat man could never be a ninja
                          -Gene, GODHAND

                          You can't practice Judo just to win a Judo Match! You practice so that no matter what happens, you can win using Judo!
                          The key to fighting two men at once is to be much tougher than both of them.
                          -Daniel Tosh

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                            #14
                            I have a DVD that covers level I stuff, and in the intro montage there was footage of two guys going at it in full battle rattle with Blauer helmets and rubber ducks. Good shit.

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                              #15
                              My Judo instructor is a Major in the Army and he's going to the level 2 instructor progam. He has a lot of good things to say about MACP, of course, he's also a 5th dan in Aikido (hahaha).
                              Myself and a couple of other students from our Judo class have been going to a BJJ school in a neighboring city and one of the guys there is a MMA pro and a level 2 MACP instructor, I'll see if he's heard anything about retruning to LINE.

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