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    Stoffel van Vuuren & Barry Pictor, Ninjitsu Bullshidoka in South Africa?

    What is the current situation with Stoffel van Vuuren in South Africa? He claims to be a GRAND MASTER in Ninjitsu? How can this be? He wears badges bought from Ashida Kim's website. He is currently claiming to be many things on his new website: http://www.blackdragon.co.za/homepage/126/home/ . Who graded him to this rank? Further more he recently graded a student who was doing ninjitsu and had a 4th kyu to 1st kyu in seven days, and gave this student a 1st Dan in "POISON HAND" which apparently only has 77 moves... WTF? Is there anyone who is legitamate in this style?

    If anyone has dug up anything or been doing any invetigations into this let us know.

    Anyone got any comments on the Cape Ninjitsu Federation: http://www.cnfsa.com/ who now seem to be called
    "HAKKO KAI NINJUTSU" ...?
    I never new there were tigers in Japan?

    All we want to do is practice ninjitsu under legitemate and qualified instructors! ARE THERE ANY OUT THERE???

    :bs:

    #2
    hey

    I am afraid that i can't offer you any info on stoffel van vuuren. However, i am a member of the Cape Ninjutsu Federation, and going for my 9th kyu. The techniques are extremely effective an practical for real life situations. My shihan is a 5th dan in koga-ryu ninjutsu and was graded by stoffel van vuuren, however he is no longer affiliated with the Black Dragon Fighting Society nor the SA ninjutsu federation.

    The reason why he calls it HAKKO KAI ninjutsu is due to his admiration of white tigers. And yes, he is a very well qualified and legit instructor. Don't take my word for it though, rather check out one of the classes yourself if you are in Cape Town.

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      #3
      um phoenix,... you do know that koga ryu ninutsu is extinct and doesn't exist anymore, right?


      sorry.
      Last edited by shmuel; 10/28/2007 12:21pm, .

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        #4
        yeah...i've heard that...and frankly it's the biggest load of crap. you mean to tell me that just because seiko fujita didn't leave a direct decendant that the art has died? he left all his teachings in scrolls, plus he had many students whom also reached high levels in the art......and you mean to say that NONE of them have carried on with it??

        Seriously now....think about it for a second. I always laugh when i see the way uneducated people act when they can't find lineage or proper credientials for etc. etc. the matter of fact is that koga-ryu ninjutsu or any ninjutsu works very well....that is all that matters.

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          #5
          Ok, please tell me how Seiko Fujita's knowledge ended up with your teacher? What is the connection between Seiko Fujita and your teacher?

          (That's assuming that Seiko Fujita was himself not a fraud. His "koga ryu" claims are not universally accepted either, but that's another matter.)

          Please, please, please don't tell us that your teachings came via Ashida Kim.

          Another thing ... how come your style of ninjutsu teaches Okinawan weapons like nunchaku and tonfa?

          Also, are you aware that the straight bladed "ninja sword" with the square tsuba is also a fraud?




          I'm really surprised there are people left in the world that still believe that this kind of sword ever existed or was used by the ninja.

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            #6
            LOL LOL LOL Ok....i dunno what you're trying to get at, but it's clear to me that you have already made up your mind regarding the fact that koga-ryu is fake, so nothing i say will make a difference. That is your opinion and you can keep it...I really don't mind at all. You are waaaaaaaaaaaaay too concerned with the opinions of others instead of thinking for yourself, but as i said....that's ok and i am definitely not going to try convincing you otherwise......I do find you very amusing though and i'll share a few of my thoughts anyway.

            All that matters to me is whether or not I can use what i'm being taught in a real life situations....and judging the the type and intensity of the training received, i know that my chances of being able to defend myself on the street have been greatly improved already. So all in all, i can assure you one thing.....nothing that we get taught in our training is fake or fraudulant.....the lineage may be broken, but the techniques are still extremely effective.....isn't that what matters at the end of the day??

            The bujinkan schools are regarded as the being the most traditional and "pure" schools (whatever the hell that means).....but does that make them any better than modern styles? The style of ninjutsu that i do contains elements of karate, shaolin kung-fu, aikido as well as bujinkan ninjutsu techniques as well. My teacher has been doing ninjutsu for over 22 years and was also in the special forces and flying squad (SA equivalent of SWAT in USA) for more than 12 years and has a lot of experience regarding real life situations....hence he knows what he's doing. He incorporated many of the military/police combat training techniques into the training that we do.

            So as you can see...it may not be "pure" ninjutsu, but i can promise you one thing, it's f^&%#$n effective. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself one simple question: Do you want to do an art that's recognised and accredited by everyone else that MAY not be as effective......or do you want to do an art that isn't necessarily accepted by the masses, although it's extremely effective.

            I leave it to you

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              #7
              I agree with you

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                #8
                We are in a major war with them

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by The_Phoenix
                  LOL LOL LOL Ok....i dunno what you're trying to get at, but it's clear to me that you have already made up your mind regarding the fact that koga-ryu is fake, so nothing i say will make a difference. That is your opinion and you can keep it...I really don't mind at all. You are waaaaaaaaaaaaay too concerned with the opinions of others instead of thinking for yourself, but as i said....that's ok and i am definitely not going to try convincing you otherwise......I do find you very amusing though and i'll share a few of my thoughts anyway.

                  All that matters to me is whether or not I can use what i'm being taught in a real life situations....and judging the the type and intensity of the training received, i know that my chances of being able to defend myself on the street have been greatly improved already. So all in all, i can assure you one thing.....nothing that we get taught in our training is fake or fraudulant.....the lineage may be broken, but the techniques are still extremely effective.....isn't that what matters at the end of the day??

                  The bujinkan schools are regarded as the being the most traditional and "pure" schools (whatever the hell that means).....but does that make them any better than modern styles? The style of ninjutsu that i do contains elements of karate, shaolin kung-fu, aikido as well as bujinkan ninjutsu techniques as well. My teacher has been doing ninjutsu for over 22 years and was also in the special forces and flying squad (SA equivalent of SWAT in USA) for more than 12 years and has a lot of experience regarding real life situations....hence he knows what he's doing. He incorporated many of the military/police combat training techniques into the training that we do.

                  So as you can see...it may not be "pure" ninjutsu, but i can promise you one thing, it's f^&%#$n effective. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself one simple question: Do you want to do an art that's recognised and accredited by everyone else that MAY not be as effective......or do you want to do an art that isn't necessarily accepted by the masses, although it's extremely effective.

                  I leave it to you
                  Then why call yourself Ninja when you do not actually have a connection to Feudal Japan. Why not, call yourselves a bunch of South Africans who like to live action role play.

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                    #10
                    Perhaps Ninjakaaners? You guys have a weird way of lifting other people's heritages.
                    Originally posted by Cullion
                    You sound like a foaming-at-the-mouth-loon out of Dr. Strangelove.
                    Sometimes, we put Ricin in the Cocaine. :ninja7:

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                      #11
                      I love ninja threads!

                      My heritage is both unique and traditional! My lineage descends from the masters grandmasters master who got it directly from a GRANDGRANDMASTER! It is practical AND realistic - that's why we wear these cool uniforms and practice with archaic weapons. And of course we always refer to the police and military in order to substantiate and endorse our righteous predominace of the REAL NINJITSU!

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                        #12
                        Ninjas!
                        Attached Files

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                          #13
                          I can see why people become so amused by forums....because half the nonsense that people write cannot actually be warranted nor does it make any practical sense. Think about it (if you are actually capable of doing it).....who gives a crap if your style isn't "accepted" by the other dojos and all the politics surrounding them? If it works in the street, then it's good enough....none of your attackers are going to ask "Hey...is your martial art pure or not".....Of course not....all that he/she would be concerned about is whether or not you're going to be an easy target. Our style of ninjutsu has been adapted for modern life and includes training in guns, kubotans etc. Besides....why use a sword when a silenced gun can be so much more effective anyway.....it's just logical.

                          You guys are obviously concerned with the prestige, lineage and the stamps you'll get on your little belts, by being able to say "woo hoo, my martial art is 'pure and yours isn't...na na na" Who gives a damn about those childish antics anway??? And what the hell makes a style "pure"? Are you sure that you'll even be worthy of your ranks when you receive them? Our teacher will not allow any student to progress faster than others.....we all have to wait 6 months between each kyu level just like everyone else....unlike most other martial arts (or even teachers in the same art) who allow their students to skip a few levels because they are "supposedly" ready for the next level without actually going through grading.

                          I look at it from this point of view....i'd rather have a great teacher in an art/style that isn't highly regarded by the masses due to politics or misconceptions, than having a poor teacher in a supposedly pure and highly regarded art. Final word.....there used to be over 70 different styles of ninjutsu during the feudal times....most of them have disappeared or became lost in translation.....you mean to tell me that they're all "fake" just because you can't find a direct lineage to all of their grandmasters??

                          Knowledge, including that of the ninja, became lost in translation as it was passed down from generation to generation....the practitioners added new techniques or adapted their old ones to move with the times....it's called evolution...which is necessary for survival....you can't bring a knive to a gunfight unless you're a true dimwitt. So you and your buddies can keep your pure martial arts.....each to their own as i always say....our martial arts may focus on different techniques etc. but neither is better......they're merely different.

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                            #14
                            Phoenix, you are confusing the issues here.

                            No-one is saying your martial art isn't effective. It quite probably is. And if your teacher was in the SA police then I'm sure he can fight effectively.

                            And there's nothing wrong with taking effective techniques from lots of systems. Krav Maga does it, Jeet Kune Do does it, and I'm sure plenty of other systems do it as well. But the difference is, they are honest about it.

                            The problem I have is why call it Ninjutsu if it's got no connection to any ninja from Japan? And why go as far as giving it a specific historical name like Koga Ryu?

                            If lineage and history are as unimportant to you as you say, then why on earth claim the lineage and history of a known Japanese ninjutsu style?

                            Why not just call it what it is? Give it a South African name that describes what it does? That's what the Jews did with Krav Maga.

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                              #15
                              One more thing ... tell your teacher to cut any and all ties with Ashida Kim at once. Also, get rid of any mention of Ashida Kim's name from your website.

                              Ashida Kim is THE biggest and most famous fraud to ever walk this earth. Do a search for his name here on Bullshido and you'll see !!!

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