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    Orlando, FL: Jimmy Lyons...5 Time MMA World Champion???

    FINALLY, some Bullshido in my neck of the woods to look into.

    This past weekend while watching UFC:77 at my house, a friend of mine pointed to a local advertising flier that was on my counter and came in the mail.

    It read....

    Tyson Sports Institute

    Personal Training....call now for an appointment

    Train with the best, 5 time MMA World Champion Jimmy Lyons

    Shape up now...with kick aerobics, Olympic boxing, co-ed kick boxing, MMA and TKD
    This place is literally 5 minutes from my house.

    A quick search on Sherdog and FCF fight record listings do not show a "Jimmy Lyons" as having any pro or amature MMA fights.

    Also, here is a clip from a press release for Tyson Sports Institute which I found during a cursory google search...

    Tyson Sports Personal Training Institute Launching New Health Club in Orlando, Florida

    Orlando, FL, January 25, 2007 --(PR.com)-- Jimmy Lyons, 5 times World Martial Arts Champion and Fitness Expert, will be opening a Personal Training Institute in Orlando, FL. Students from all over the world are invited to attend their Tyson Sports Training Institute (TSI). Along with obtaining their personal training certificate, students will obtain their certification in CPR, AED, Aerobics, and 1st degree black belt. The personal training program lasts 6 months. Their program allows students to obtain a multi-certification and hands on training. Tyson Sports Institute will be opening up hundreds of new Health Clubs across the country.

    With Tyson Sports Institute opening up multiple health clubs across the country, this allows students to have a successful future in the health and fitness industry. TSI's goal is to teach students how to make $100,000 a year. TSI students will have the opportunity to meet fitness celebrity's during their school year. TSI is scheduled to open April, 2007.

    For more information on Tyson Sports Institute (TSI ) personal training certification program, contact Jimmy Lyons at [email protected].
    So, a flyer boosts him as a "5 time MMA World Champion" while the press release states that he is a "5 time Martial Arts World Champion".....potential false advertising to ride the coat tials of the MMA craze.

    Plus, a 1st degree black belt awarded in 6 months???????

    I'm gonna go check this place out and post any findings here.

    #2
    Originally posted by GoldenJonas
    Plus, a 1st degree black belt awarded in 6 months???????
    I think the more important question is, "A 1st degree black belt in what?" There is no martial artform listed-- not even a generic "MMA." Does he teach Karate? TKD? Muay Thai? Rex Kwon Do? Quack Fu? Maybe it's a Shodan in fitness walking...

    --Joe

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      #3
      Holly fuck, you need to invite him to the Throwdown
      Originally posted by Phrost
      Yeah, you're probably right.

      But still, something about having a black guy or a lesbian jump out from behind a garbage can yelling "SURPRISE GONG SAU" at any of your big-named RBSD kooks makes me giggle like a little girl.
      Originally posted by Phrost
      There are two kinds of members on MAP:

      1. LARPers/Partial Artists
      2. People who haven't heard about Bullshido.
      The Mighty McClaw to Fox when refusing to fight AnnaT.

      Originally posted by TheMightyMcClaw
      Don't fight girls? When are you living, the 1850's? I suppose you think they shouldn't work or vote either.
      Get with the times and punch a chick.
      Wingchundo's response after I called him a "pussy"

      Originally posted by wingchundo
      Hey, I resemble that remark!

      Ok, time for a snappy comeback.... uh...

      OK. Here goes.

      You are what you eat!

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        #4
        Originally posted by El Neko
        Holly fuck, you need to invite him to the Throwdown
        I second that notion!!!!
        Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

        My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

        New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

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        The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris

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          #5
          I went ahead and sent an email over to them to see if I could find out anything about his fights.
          sigpic

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            #6
            I bet he will say his fights were illigal at the time and so there is no record.
            Check out my blog!:

            http://jadonbjj.blogspot.com/

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              #7
              Originally posted by Jadonblade
              I bet he will say his fights were illigal at the time and so there is no record.
              ..and since they were to the "death" matches, no one is alive to talk about them.

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                #8
                Please, let's not jump to conclusions. Let's approach this without the e-dicking clusterfuck in hopes that he can attend a TD and see what's up.

                How about that?
                Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

                My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

                New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

                t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

                The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by GoldenJonas
                  FINALLY, some Bullshido in my neck of the woods to look into.

                  This past weekend while watching UFC:77 at my house, a friend of mine pointed to a local advertising flier that was on my counter and came in the mail.

                  It read....



                  This place is literally 5 minutes from my house.

                  A quick search on Sherdog and FCF fight record listings do not show a "Jimmy Lyons" as having any pro or amature MMA fights.

                  Also, here is a clip from a press release for Tyson Sports Institute which I found during a cursory google search...



                  So, a flyer boosts him as a "5 time MMA World Champion" while the press release states that he is a "5 time Martial Arts World Champion".....potential false advertising to ride the coat tials of the MMA craze.

                  Plus, a 1st degree black belt awarded in 6 months???????

                  I'm gonna go check this place out and post any findings here.
                  If you go check it out...I'll go with you...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by sempaiman
                    ..and since they were to the "death" matches, no one is alive to talk about them.
                    Yes!, which means 5 times world champion = 5 and 0. Or even better, 5 and 100. He got his title shots through luring his opponents into a false sense of security.
                    Check out my blog!:

                    http://jadonbjj.blogspot.com/

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                      #11
                      It was put on by the Black Dragon Society sponsored by the Kokorukai...Frank Dux was actually the first westerner to ever win in that Kumite.........

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                        #12
                        This is what I found so far

                        Grand Master Jimmy Lyons, a 5 time World Champion, has worked with the U.S. Presidents Council on Physical Fitness and Sports on educating kids across the country on Physical Fitness as well as having worked with law enforcement agencies Nation-Wide on self defense training & "Say NO To Drugs" programs.

                        Grand Master, Jimmy Lyons is also the proud owner of the ABA Basketball Team in Montgomery, Alabama and along with AJ DiScala, Beverly Hills Banker & CEO of Brax Capital Group, owners of the ABA Basketball Teams in Orlando, FL & Tallahassee, FL.

                        Grand Master Jimmy Lyons is paving his way for success, he is launching Tyson Sports LLC. in 2007.

                        Thats it... I think its pretty much the same thing, I couldn't find anything on MMA

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by DaChinkOfSteel
                          If you go check it out...I'll go with you...
                          Cool. I couldn't find a website so I may just drive by today to see when the school is open. I'll let you know.

                          On a side note Chink......big fight this Saturday - Ramos v. Gomez at the UCF Arena, should be a great fight and a good show; the card is stacked with talent.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by GoldenJonas
                            On a side note Chink......big fight this Saturday - Ramos v. Gomez at the UCF Arena, should be a great fight and a good show; the card is stacked with talent.
                            Yeah man..I'd go, but I'm going to be out of town :o(

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                              #15
                              PART I

                              So I walked into the school and spoke directly to Jimmy Lyons at around 5:30pm today.

                              The awning in front of the school read "Tea Kwon Do **** Kickboxing **** MMA"

                              The school was pretty small and the mat space was maybe 20'x20' with three heavy bags hanging over the door side of the mat.

                              The mats were pretty bad, i.e., Day Care puzzle mats.

                              When I walked in there were two people on the mats "working out". Both women; one dressed in a TKD Gi with a yellow belt and the other in the typical cardio kickboxing get up. The cardio chick was running laps and looked to be in pretty good shape. The TKD girl was definitely overweight but she was wearing a sweat suit under her gi so she was obviously working on getting in shape.

                              So far not bad, the gym was small and kind of dingy but that didn't mean the training or instruction was bad it just meant that the gym didn't have a load of capital to get some good mats and gear......

                              Then I spoke with Jimmy Lyons.......

                              I was up front with him from the get go. I told him I usually train grappling and BJJ with American Top Team near UCF but that his gym was only 5 minutes from my house and I would like to have an option to still train if I could not make the 35 minute trip to ATT.

                              I asked him when his MMA class trained.

                              He said that the beginners trained on Mon, Wed, and Fri at 7pm and the more advanced guys and a few "pro fighters" came in on the weekends.

                              I asked him about his 5 MMA World Championships and specifically asked what promotions he held belts in and at what weight class. He said he fought for a bunch of promotions over in Japan that I probably had not heard of. I said that I actually heard of a few and asked him if he fought in Pride, Deep, Pancrease or Shooto. He said "none of those, but I fought a few MMA guys when kickboxing." When I asked again what promotions he fought in he failed to provide any specifics and asked me if I had ever been to Japan. I said no.

                              I then asked him who taught the grappling at his school. His response was that he has a few wrestlers come in and train and one of the guys was a Pro Wrastler from the TNA production. He then said he had an MMA pro come in on the weekends who had more than 80 fights. He told me the name but I can't remember him.

                              He then said that he does not teach grappling to his students until much later in their training because he has found that MMA fighters who train grappling first get knocked out more and that he "has never had a fight go to the ground anyway."

                              ........um, what? my thought was that he is "teaching" MMA but does not think grappling is an important aspect of the training...actually, he thinks that training grappling is more harmful to a MMA fighter.

                              What I actually said in response was a nod of my head and a "uh ha, hmmm."

                              I asked him if he had anyone come in to teach BJJ to his students. He said that he found that if you get 2 BJJ students from different masters on the mat there is always conflict in the way in which things are taught and there is uncomfortable tension.

                              He said he is having trouble getting people to stick with the MMA program because they don't want to train and I "must know that you have to actually train to get good at MMA." This is honestly the only accurate statement he proffered during our whole conversation.

                              He said he primarily focuses on the boxing, kickboxing, and TKD because that is where his experience lies.

                              Now he may very well be and accomplished kickboxer but I was not able to find any listing for "Jimmy Lyons" here for boxing...

                              http://www.boxrec.com/search.php?sta...t=Go&pageID=48

                              There are a few "Jimmy Lyons" but none with boxing careers after 1954. I could not find a kickboxing record database.

                              I am planning on going to train with the guy at some point in the near future simply to get a clear picture of what he is pushing. However, my initial impression is that he may have a few amateur or unsanctioned pro boxing or kickboxing fights but he has absolutely no idea how to train MMA.

                              I told him that a few of the pros I train with at ATT have fought in the UFC and have outstanding contracts with the UFC to which he responded that he "has not been impressed with the UFC fighters" and that "they didn't know how to use there hands".

                              I was not able to get a straight forward answer regarding what, if any, promotions he has been labeled "World Champion" of.

                              I will do a little more digging and I will also go and train with the guy.

                              Chink...you have been focusing in on your Muay Thai for a while now correct? It would be good to have someone with at least a basic knowledge of proper striking training and form go with me as I do not feel qualified to comment on the striking instruction.

                              EDIT - Here is the "coming soon" website for the gym...http://www.tkd411.com/....none of the flash pics shown are Jimmy Lyons.
                              Last edited by GoldenJonas; 10/23/2007 7:59pm, .

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