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    #61
    Originally posted by Kung-Fu Joe
    Again, I'll reiterate that the guys I was rolling with when I actually pulled those off had little to no BJJ knowledge, at all. In the case of the triangle, it was because the guy was posturing poorly while attempting to pass my guard-- he made a dumb mistake, and I capitalized. The armbars mostly came from full mount against guys who didn't know they'd have been better off in guard (though I did score a few from side-control on Wednesday after passing my buddy's guard-- they were sloppy, but he's as new as I am). As for the Kimura and the Americana, the guys I landed those against had absolutely no clue what they were, and as a result, didn't do a whole lot to stop me from attacking. They were content to keep punching me with their free hand, which was fine by me.

    Now, I'm not claiming to be anything special. My ass gets owned when I roll with anybody who has even a modicum of experience. But against guys who've never grappled before, even my extremely rudimentary knowledge of BJJ is a nice advantage.

    I'm certainly no big monster freak-- I'm 6'1", and 185 pounds. I'm not bullshitting, though I really can't expect you to believe otherwise since I'm not offering any proof beyond my words. I do have a respectably high IQ, but if that made me a good fighter, I wouldn't have to train MMA, hehehehe... So I'm gonna have to go with "None of the Above," for now.

    --Joe
    I didn't get my first armbar until about a year of training. I did get my first triangle the first time I tried it...the first day I learned it...the first grappling class I ever took. He didn't tap but he went out and came to. Also, he did the Gracie Gift Guard Pass that we were just shown as a setup to the triangle so he basically fell into it. The point is that it's different for everyone else. And you said it yourself. Anyone with a Modicum of skill can beat you. I'm a modicum of skill can be a six month 1 stripe white belt. Imagine the feeling this Gracie Combatives certified TKD black belt is going to have when some 1 stripe asshat comes to class and decimates him/her.

    As for this whole technical blue, and competition blue has some truth to it but mostly bs. The key is training and competition against a resisting person. It's pretty much the typical GJJ "we are trying to distinguish our GJJ from BJJ" propaganda. It's competition is frowned upon so much by them, then why do they proudly post their competition victories on their websit:

    http://www.gracieacademy.com/ryron_gracie.html

    http://www.gracieacademy.com/rener_gracie.html

    Originally posted by nobleidea
    HA!HA!HA!HA! The Bullshido/ BJJ nutriders must all be about to commit ritual suicide! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    This made my mother fucking day! So many ass monkeys on this site have endlessly worshiped the Gracies and now, oh yes, now only at the end do realize---98% of the martial arts is BULLSHIDO! *Lighting shoots from fingers; young luke writhes in pain*:tongue11:
    Actually that's a big fat no. If we were it's kind of hard to commit ritual suicide when most of the so called "BJJ nutriders" are the ones attacking what the Gracie Academy is doing. And did you know that 98% percent of all statistics are made up on the spot?

    The Gracies aren't bullshido. Unfortunately, some of the marketing methods used by the Gracies and non-Gracie BJJ types aren't suspect. We've talked about all of them to include John Will and David Meyer's instructor program; the Jean Jacques Machado online program, the dredded Gene Simco online instructional program, etc, etc, etc. Hell, because most people are so passionate about BJJ, they tend to be harder on BS in BJJ then any other art.

    In summary, as a mod or someone with more experience on this board would probably put it...lurk more!

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      #62
      MAcho, STFU. I did not say das majority! I said the BJJ nutriders on this site! And there are quite a few as there are all over.

      I am aware you have been a Gracie detractor, but that has no stopped some assholes here from cock worshipping the great Gracies! THe Gracies can fight, but so can Matt HUghes, so can Vlad Klitchko, so can a lot of people.

      What I find ironic is that a decent percentage of the people here have done nothing but talk shit about 'Gracie non-bullhidoness'--- that's bullshido with an ness added to it. So chill out, go take a drink of you proteing shake, shave your sack, and chill out.

      On a serious note, the Gracie system does provide someone with a sound knowledge of ground grappling, but 2 week instructorships ALWAYS raise a red flag with me. :icon_salu

      And did you know that 98% percent of all statistics are made up on the spot?
      No shit? And what statistics do you have to back this up?

      And as a MMA fighter once said at a seminar I attended--- It's basically just judo!
      Last edited by nobleidea; 10/19/2007 12:00pm, .

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        #63
        Originally posted by nobleidea
        No shit? And what statistics do you have to back this up?

        And as a MMA fighter once said at a seminar I attended--- It's basically just judo!
        I don't need any, that's the point.

        Congrats on attending a seminar, you do know if you just attend one more, you can be certified in Gracie Combatives then you'll really know what you're talking about.

        Yeah, we've all heard the BJJ - Basically Just Judo

        But the question is, instead of just spouting off something you heard at a seminar, do you even know why people say that in the first place?

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          #64
          EARN your Gracie Certified BLUE BLET in 10 Days!!!

          Gracie Torrence is now offering a Gracie Combatives program consisting of 10 days of 8 hour instruction per day, at the end of which you are awarded a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Blue Belt.

          See the Website here...

          http://www.gracieacademy.com/instruc...tion%20Program

          Originally posted by From Website
          Official Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Belt Promotion
          At the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy, a "technical blue belt" is awarded to anyone who perfects their understanding and execution of the Gracie Combatives techniques. Since you will be licensed to offer the complete Gracie Combatives course to your students, you will be authorized to promote them up to fourth degree white belt level. Up to two (2) times per year you can arrange to have a Gracie Academy Head Instructor visit your training center to evaluate all fourth degree white belt holders and award blue belts to those who qualify.
          As a BJJ Blue Belt, I feel it is impossible to get enough live rolling mat time in as well as technical proficiency in the basic BJJ Blue Belt curriculum to be a legit BJJ Blue Belt in 10 days absent a very strong grappling background.

          Any thoughts? Is this a mark on the otherwise storied Gracie name? Is this the first step toward Gracie Jiu-Jitsu becoming a belt factory?

          Discuss.........

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            #65
            Any thoughts?
            If I could afford, I'd do it. Seems like it's better than a seminar and a great way to get a really intensive intro to GJJ. It would probably be a great supplement to my Judo training and beneficial to me as a LEO.

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              #66
              Has anyone found someone that has taken this course yet?

              How much does it cost? Sounds like two weeks 8 hours a day of Jiu-Jitsu would make a great vacation.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Askari
                Has anyone found someone that has taken this course yet?

                How much does it cost? Sounds like two weeks 8 hours a day of Jiu-Jitsu would make a great vacation.
                Doesn't look like anybody's gone through it, yet:

                "Tentatively scheduled for Spring 2008 the first instructor certification course will take place at the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy in Torrance, Ca."

                --Joe

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                  #68
                  nobleidea- please find these posts of how the gracies aren't bullshido
                  if its such a large percentage, they should be easy to find, please, support your claim with evidence

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                    #69
                    If this is true, word must be spread that people who complete these programs are not REAL BJJ blue belts. And they can and should be challenged to roll in front of their students at all times.

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                      #70
                      Obviously the chronic hypoxic state resulting from frequent RNC's has killed the sarcasm detection center of a few of forum member's brains. :homo:

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                        #71
                        funny how that's always the answer to being called out for stupidity.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by GoldenJonas
                          As a BJJ Blue Belt, I feel it is impossible to get enough live rolling mat time in as well as technical proficiency in the basic BJJ Blue Belt curriculum to be a legit BJJ Blue Belt in 10 days absent a very strong grappling background.

                          Any thoughts? Is this a mark on the otherwise storied Gracie name? Is this the first step toward Gracie Jiu-Jitsu becoming a belt factory?

                          Discuss.........
                          In general I don't think the Gracies are a belt factory. They dilute the blue - I've heard plenty of stories of Royce handing out blue belts at seminars from his observations. But it's a lot harder to get a purple from them, and their brown and black belts are legit badasses.

                          The Gracies have always been after the cash cow though. I remember Rigan at a seminar one time talking about how he used to teach GJJ until his cousin sued him for name copyright stuff. He was still astonished 10 yrs later.

                          On the Combatives curriculum, of course they aren't legit blue belt level proficiency. One of the guys at our school teaches combatives for the Army, and we go over there to roll with all the trainees. It's a great environment to practice all the submissions you can't get on your classmates. It's like shooting ducks in a barrel, and lots of fun for doing guantlet rolling with the trainees.

                          And a lot of you LOLBJJBullshidoHAHANutriders posting idiots need to come out of your mom's basement, stop drooling on yourselves, and get some sunlight.

                          Outside of Roger and Rickson's son Kron, and Renzo doing MMA you really don't have Gracies dominating the world stage in BJJ by any means right now. That's happening by all the "sport" schools. I'll bet you Roger doesn't make that distinction - he just kicks everyone's ass.

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                            #73
                            You're right, there aren't any Gracies dominating much of anything in regards to MMA. Except the fact that most of the people in MMA are somehow connected to the family via their trainers.

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                              #74
                              I can't speak for Renzo and Royce, in fact I DO think Royce hands out blue belts waaaay too fast, but this is Rorion. It takes forever and a day to get a blue belt from Rorion, I know from first-hand experience. I didn't get mine until I could tap just about all the white belts and a number of blue belts. It took about two years, excluding injury time.

                              As near as I can tell, he's taking a core group of moves (probably kimura, armlock, guillotine etc), drilling them intensively for two weeks and calling that a course in Gracie combatives, rather than GJJ. I never saw the part about giving someone a blue belt just for completing the course, and if he's doing that it's wrong and totally out of character. I don't recall that being in the mailer he sent out.

                              Anyone who thinks he's handing out bb's just for showing up needs to go to the Academy, I assure you that you are incorrect.

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                                #75
                                I think this is brilliantly subversive. An instructor goes and completes this program to add a ground game to his school. He starts teaching it to his students, ranking them up as he sees fit to White w/ 4 stripes. Gracie Academy Head Instructor comes by to evaluate the students for a Blue belt, and either finds them lacking or, surprisingly, qualified for the "technical" blue belt.

                                The student fails:
                                "You are almost there. I'll be back this way in six months, but there is a Gracie Jiu-jitsu instructor not far from here, you could get ranked much sooner by him if you trained there."

                                The student passes:
                                "Congratulations, you have a technical blue belt. This is as high as you can progress here, but there is a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu instructor not far from here if you want to continue."

                                Anyone who learns from an instructor of this program might be inclined to seek out some form of jiu-jitsu, which is a good way to round out one's training.

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