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    Here's a podcast from an internet radio show called 'The Good Atheist' about Tony Anthony that mentions this very thread: http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2011/1...t-episode-148/ (These guys swear a lot - so be warned if you're offended by such language!)

    Enjoy!

    Regards, Stephen.

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      Update?

      Is there any update on Mr. Anthony?

      He appears to be doing a tour of Northern Ireland in the upcoming months and will be stopping by my University here in Coleraine.

      I'm keen to go along and attedn his talk to experience Tony in person and am attempting to make contact in advance to see if I can arrange some one on one time.

      Have read the thread but was wondering if anything new has come to light or materialised recently to prove or disprove any of Tonys story?

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        Tony Anthony Wikipedia

        I see Tony Anthony has been reposted on Wikipedia. His pages were deleted in the past because he could not substantiate any of his claims. Now there is a milder version on Wiki but still full of falsehoods and someone has added some very intersting new info.
        Have a look by searching -Wiki Tony Anthony Evangelist

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          12:23, 19 September 2007‎ Martious (talk | contribs)‎ (2,341 bytes) (remove Bullshido link -> not a reliable website, add a ref) (undo)
          LOL.

          We ask for better references and proof than wiki LOL.

          Anyway, yeah that is pretty interesting. I'd like to know what name he used on the alleged court documents that make him Greek.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_An...8evangelist%29
          Tony Anthony (evangelist)
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          Tony Anthony is a British Christian evangelist.
          [edit] Early life

          He was born in London[citation needed] of an Italian father[citation needed] and a Chinese mother[citation needed], and raised in Canton, China[citation needed] by his grandparents[citation needed]. His grandfather Cheung Ling Soo[citation needed][1] trained him in Kung Fu. In his early twenties, Anthony worked as an elite[citation needed] bodyguard.
          [edit] Convictions and conversion

          He returned to London, and became engaged to a Swedish law student[citation needed]. After hearing of her sudden death in a car crash[citation needed], Anthony turned to violence and crime.[1] In 1989 he was arrested for burglary[citation needed]in Cyprus, and sentenced to three years imprisonment in the Central Jail of Nicosia. Conditions in the prison were harsh, and Anthony felt that his Buddhist upbringing did not give him much strength to endure them.[2] Over six months, he was visited every week by an Irish missionary, Michael Wright, and converted to Christianity.[3] They developed a friendship which continued after Anthony's release.[4]

          In 2001, he was sentenced again to 15 months in prison in the UK for perverting the course of justice. His car had hit a cyclist[citation needed]at night, killing her, but he had not stayed at the scene and later denied it to police.[5]

          He was also imprisoned for Racial Harrassement. Tony Anthony, not his real name, claims to be English but the Records in his Court Case in th UK state he is a Greek Cypriot( Documentation avalable). In his book Taming the Tiger Anthony claims to have been a Three Tmes World Kung Fu Champion. There is absolutely no proof of this at all, in fact various Kung Fu Associations around the world have sent written confirmation that they have never heard of him, also they were sent photos of Anthony and no one recognised him. The Citations in this Article supporting Anthony's Wiki Page are made by persons and Organisations who have no proof whatsoever of what they are confirming. If they have of course that can posted here, however unsubstantiated articles in Christian Media, Anthony's own Book or Anthony's interviews are not proof of events. Regarding the Hit and Run it states "His car had hit a cyclist". Whoever wrote this Post is totally unaware of the facts, the facts are that the lady who died was in fact riding a Kawasaki Motorbike. The impression in the book is that he "only felt a light tap on the car" and the cyclist misrepresentation lends weight to Anthony not being aware.

          Anthony's Wiki Page was deleted several years ago because of his unfounded claims, now this watered down version has been posted but still is full of deception and lies. He has maintained that the Wiki Pages were deleted because of technical errors, untrue, it was because he could not substantiate any of his bogus claims.
          [edit] Christian ministry

          Tony Anthony is the founding director of Avanti Ministries, a Christian evangelistic organization based in Southend-on-Sea, Essex, UK. In 2004 he published an autobiography, Taming The Tiger.[6] He travels around the world to tell his story. Video interviews in Canada were broadcast on 100 Huntley Street in 2005[2] and again in July and October 2011.[7]
          Last edited by It is Fake; 2/11/2012 4:08pm, .

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            The Court Cases refer to him as "Tony Anthony" although there is no Birth Record for that name in the UK for either of the Date of Births he uses. However there is a Directors List of names for the Taming the Tiger Production Company, set up for the film of the book Anthony is planning - and there he is listed as "Andonis Anthony". For those of you who do not know, Andonis is not an Italian name but in fact Greek.

            Wiki have moved all my comments to another page:
            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tony Anthony (Evangelist)
            Last edited by Doubtful; 2/12/2012 5:16am, . Reason: to add more info

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              This is taken from Anthony's 'official website':-

              Tony Anthony Fake?

              Internet based information


              Background check on the life of Tony Anthony on the internet are hard to do for the following reasons.
              • Just doing a search on Martial Arts can be confusing in the first place, let alone finding information on Tony Anthony.
              • There are many Kung Fu World Titles, so you may come up with one, but it may be the wrong one.
              • There are large number of world championship competitions in Kung Fu held across the world, especially in Asia, both modern and ancient. They can be quite varied as some incorporate a variety of styles of Kung Fu and other specialise in specific techniques, which can all be misleading.
              • The essential reason why no internet information can be found is due to the fact that the names of most people, organisations and even places for the protection of those individuals mentioned within the manuscript.

              The age, scale and level of these competitions also depends upon who is organising the competition, as they could be organised by a revered master (often self- promoted) who has developed a particular style (and the competition is often based on how well their own students do in the style they have taught), or alternatively they could be organised by an awarding body composed of a group of masters or Abbott’s that share the common vision to promote the whole science of Kung Fu. There are no end to Kung Fu schools, organisations and federations around the world, and they would each subscribe to a different Kung Fu world championship, which makes things very confusing – although each one would try to say that theirs was the ultimate one. This was one of the points that Tony Anthony tried to communicate in the book, as Tony Anthony did not feel that Tony Anthony was the best by any stretch of the imagination, as there were so many advanced students and grandmasters that never entered the strand of competitions that Tony Anthony entered in, and they were at a much higher standard than me by far. That is also why on the front cover subheading of my book it states: “The remarkable true story of “a” Kung Fu World Champion” instead of “The remarkable true story of “the” Kung Fu World Champion”.
              The competitions that Tony Anthony took part in are over 200 years old – and they are derived from the lineage of “Gong So” who goes back to the Manchu Dynasty. These competitions are held in mainland China and as they are so specialised Tony Anthony have not known them to be publicised outside of the relevant circles, which is another reason why Tony Anthony doubt very much that you would ever find these competitions advertised on a Google search engine.
              Tony Anthony’s organisation have actually produced a few DVD’s which include interviews with key people that feature in my testimony such as Michael Wright, and Tony Anthony would be very happy to send a free copy to you. If you would like to get one of these, then please forward your postal details at your earliest convenience.
              Tony Anthony would finally highlight that the central focus of Taming the Tiger is in actual fact the good news of how a broken life can be transformed by the power of God’s Son Jesus Christ. If you have any more questions please do not hesitate to contact Tony Anthony to discuss this further, Tony Anthony would be very pleased to hear from you.


              Tony Anthony is Fake and Doesn’t Exist


              Tony Anthony is not the name that Tony went by in China neither in any of the competitions Tony entered in. In some of his other dealings, other alias and alter egos have been used due to the nature of his job. Just doing an internet search on martial arts or kung fu can be confusing in the first place, let alone finding any information on Tony Anthony when he did not exist under that name in China. I have seen authentic letters written to him and by him from the Greek prison, including photos of that time.


              His Kung Fu World Title and Competitions


              Tony Anthony did not enter full details as they are sensitive issues involved whereby Tony has received death threats from his family in China for ending quite a long family tradition. All the competitions he has taken part in are from the Gong So lineage from the Manchu Dynasty. The age, scale and level of these competitions also depends upon who is organising the competition, as they could be organised by a revered master (often self- promoted) who has developed a particular style (and the competition is often based on how well their own students do in the style they have taught), or alternatively they could be organised by an awarding body composed of a group of masters or Abbott’s that share the common vision to promote the whole science of Kung Fu. There are no end to Kung Fu schools, organisations and federations around the world, and they would each subscribe to a different Kung Fu world championship, which makes things very confusing – although each one would try to say that theirs was the ultimate one. This was one of the points that Tony Anthony tried to communicate in the book, as Tony Anthony did not feel that Tony Anthony was the best by any stretch of the imagination, as there were so many advanced students and grandmasters that never entered the strand of competitions that Tony Anthony entered in, and they were at a much higher standard than me by far. That is also why on the front cover subheading of my book it states: “The remarkable true story of “a” Kung Fu World Champion” instead of “The remarkable true story of “the” Kung Fu World Champion.”


              His Time in China with the White Tiger


              Some have claimed that there are no White Tigers in China that Tony claimed he has an encounter with in his book. A shame that these allegations are so flaky that any scientific statistics and National Geographic indication will tell you that White Tigers have existed in parts of China especially in the south for decades.


              His Finances


              To say Tony Anthony uses this for monetary gain is ridiculous and totally defaming. Avanti does not even have money for an office space and are constantly looking for partners and supporters. Tony himself has no assets to his name, except his Lord Jesus. Avanti is a faith-based ministry and relies on funding – often not having enough but always seeing the Lords hand as they trust Him and continue in the work of the Gospel. It is more than a ridiculous claim to state that Tony uses his story to make money. Whatever Tony receives in love gift, is often put back to printing and creating resources for Avanti to give away and give out on their special project missions – yes, give! Tony is one man who believes that we should never need to charge for the Gospel – of course very much like his mentor George Verwer.


              Authenticity of His Work with the Underworld


              Some have suggested that the name of the Sheikh in the book does not exist – of course he doesn’t theoretically because his name has been changed, as with many of the names that appear in the book. This is legitimate because it is necessary, and legally prudent to protect the identities of these people. It could even stir a national security manhunt should these be leaked and put innocent people especially Tony’s family in danger.


              Source: http://www.tonyanthony.co.uk/about/tony-anthony-fake/

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                I have read what has been Posted( above) in favour of Tony Anthony. My only questions are: Could the person who posted it confirm that they know that:
                1. Tony Anthony's Father was Greek and NOT Italian.
                2. Confirm that they have proof that his Mother is Chinese, because Taming the Tiger falls apart if she is not.
                3. Explain why someone who claims to have an Italian Father has the Christian name "Andonis" which is Greek. This writer has documentary proof that his name is Andonis.
                4. In Taming the Tiger Tony Anthony names the Saudi Arabian Ambassador as his employer who is involved in criminal activities. Why did he not change his name in the book. Or if it was not him why defame him?

                I could go on and on.. but this will do for now.

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                  Right.
                  The competitions that Tony Anthony took part in are over 200 years old – and they are derived from the lineage of “Gong So” who goes back to the Manchu Dynasty. These competitions are held in mainland China and as they are so specialised Tony Anthony have not known them to be publicised outside of the relevant circles, which is another reason why Tony Anthony doubt very much that you would ever find these competitions advertised on a Google search engine.
                  Funny how no one has EVER heard of GONG SO lineage. Funny how it is another super secret tournament. Fun how it can go all the way back to the Manchu's, 200 years ago, but NO ONE has ever heard of the tournament. Funny how he thinks all people have done is used google.

                  We have had people, with contact in "these circles," who have never hear of him or any of his championship claims. You know people that live in the areas he claims where he showed his alleged kung fu skills.

                  Yes, it doesn't escape me how close Gong So is to Gong Sau.
                  Dumbass.

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                    Tony Anthony Evangelist is about to be deleted AGAIN from Wikipedia. His entry is much abreviated but even so he cannot substantiate it. He has claimed that it was deloeted before before someone put something incorrect up on Wiki and also technical reasons - well he cannot hide behind that excuse anymore.

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                      Sounds like Frank Dux alter-ego with a religious twist.
                      I thought I spelled it wrong, but as I said I'm a mechanic not an English professor.

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                        Pertinant questions?

                        Mr. Anthony is speaking near me on Thursday evening. If I were to attend and either confront him publicly with questions or speak with him one to one and ask questions, what does everyone feel are the most pressing questions to ask? Keeping in mind that time will no doubt be very limited.

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                          My experience with Tony Anthony is that it is pointless asking or telling him anything. He is undoubtably a liar on a grand scale and he will not admit to any of his countless lies even when confronted with Documents that prove he is a liar. One of his tricks is to say that he cannot divulge information because he and his family have had death threats from his family in China because he gave up the family tradition of Kung Fu, that is why he changed his name...Total rubbish. He was imprisoned in Cyprus under the name of Andonis Anthony ( I have a Document) so he must have a crystal ball because that was in 1992, long before he ever met his wife..so he would have us believe he changed his name from Andonis Anthony to Tony Anthony to throw his Chinese relatives off the scent.,. total rubbish. He changed his name from Andonis to Tony because he didnt want people to know he was a Greek Cypriot ( I have Documents) anyway he says in Taming the Tiger that his father was Italian..Total Lie. His father was a Greek Cypriot.

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                            I have just looked again at the Document, above, which is from Anthony's Website.
                            That is also why on the front cover subheading of my book it states: “The remarkable true story of “a” Kung Fu World Champion” instead of “The remarkable true story of “the” Kung Fu World Champion.”
                            The suggestion is that by changing "the" to "a" Kung Fu World Champion it dosent mislead the reader. Well even Muhammed Ali was "a" World Champion. You can only be "The" World Champion if there are no Weight or other Divisions. By the way the Anthony abstract from his Website above seems to be written by a third party, but then he betrays himself by writing " That is also why on the front cover subheading of my book it states: "
                            Liars always betray themselves in the detail.

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                              Tony Anthonys Wikipedia Entry has been DELETED. This was a very brief entry and did not include World Champion Kung Fu claims. But even though it was brief he couldnt substantiate any of that. He cant prove his father was Italian, because he wasnt, he couldnt prove any Body Guard claims, because they are fiction along with the vast majority of his claims. It's time for those who work with and deal with Tony Anthony to make him prove his outrageous claims, I believe if they do not they themselves are culpable.

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                                I hope someone some day catches him alone on the street, with covered face and pulls a gun against his head, maybe we will finally get true answers after that -.-

                                You guys have really made a nice work over the last years 0.o I read his book an year ago and I also did some research, but to be sincere I haven't found out more than you already did. I asked him to send me that DVD too, but I dont believe his story after everything I have found out about him.

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