Southend-on-Sea, England: Kung Fu master Tony Anthony and Avanti Ministries

[fights4peace]

(8)The IKFF is not the correct name, this was changed to stop people being able to trace his past. He did not give me the correct name for this reason also.
(9)Tony has disposed of everything relating to his Kung Fu tournaments including trophies.
(10)Tony stated that he has served prison time in Cyprus for crimes he did not commit and thus feels he has been adequately punished for all his crimes.
(11)Tony stated that he did not murder people as such , his killings where terrorists attacking people he was protecting and he was referring to using more force than was perhaps necessary.
(12)Tony talked about a guy called Julian Bachelor who he travelled with for 6 weeks in New Zealand , he stated that Julian had problems with women that meant he could not continue (he did not elaborate on specifics) TA continued with the mission following on from this and says that this is the person being very critical of him and accusing him of plagiarizing his work.
(13)I asked TA to send me a copy of their child protection policy, he did within a few hours of our meeting.
All staff that are members of the branches of the organizations that deal with children are CRB checked.
Avanti used to CRB check but as they do not directly deal with children anymore they no longer do so.
Tony did not confirm if he had been or not but did state that when he visits a school to share his story a teacher is always present.

cool so its decided he bullshido in regards to his past before he met his wife. One glaring inaccuracy I noticed ( though probably ours) is that earlier it was stated that the scars were been dragon and tiger shaped. Perhaps in reality they were cuts from a failed suicide attempt?

[Sushi-Boy]

(3)With Regards to Alcaponi, Tony stated that there where many people in prison with the nickname Alcapony, the one being researched at present was incorrect and the correct Alcaponi had recently poured petrol over himself and set it a light, This is the Alcapony that attacked him.

Convenient that anyone who might provide even a fraction of corroboration is unavailable due to either Tony's desire to not have people tracing his past, his concerns about them being "harassed" OR them committing suicide in a most unlikely manner.
Petrol in most prisons is a monitored substance to say the least.
In no small part because the authorities are aware of its flammable properties.

"Hey Alcapony, why you want this petrol?"

"For my moped, I am going to drive around the yard and escape like Steve McQueen in 'The Great Escape'."

[PDA]

With regards the cause of the scars ,I to thought the book said a dragon and a tiger but ill need to check that . What he said at the meeting was the cause is as above.

With regards the guy pouring petrol over his head my personal opinion is this.

TA did go to prison in Nicosia, TA was attacked whilst in there , A person who was in the prison at the time TA was in there has recently poured petrol over himself and set it alight. This may or may not be the person who attacked him.
This person may or may not also have had the nickname Alcapony.

When TA told me about this whilst pointing out we where looking at the wrong Alcapony he said "you are looking at the wrong Alcapony, its the one that has just poured petrol over himself and set himself alight you should be looking at"
Michael Wright had informed him of this.

Ive dont a little digging but there seams to be quite a few people that have poured petrol over themselves in Cyprus for a variety of reasons so it will take a bit of time to nail down the specific incident. Tony didnt say specifically that this happened inside prison, however I have read reports that the prison has been critized heavily for being both relaxed and corrupt.

[PDA]

Oh I forgot to mention, Tony said that he speaks very little chinese, I asked him to speak some and he said a few greetings, "hello how are you" he said he understands more than he speaks. (I wouldnt have known if it was chinese or not to be honest )
He confirmed that he speaks fluent Greek.

His book is also being released in China , its going through a scrutiny process at the moment as there is quite stringent tests for religious books before they can be released there according to TA.
He said that because of the scrutiny that the book was being put under by the chinese that this version would be more accurate than the western version we have.

[terrafirma]

[quote=Mr P;2392599]Oh I forgot to mention, Tony said that he speaks very little chinese, I asked him to speak some and he said a few greetings, "hello how are you" he said he understands more than he speaks.quote]

That is the clincher. A man who has spent the first nine years of his life in China, being reared by a Chinese grandfather, cannot forget how to speak fluent Chinese. Game over. This man is clearly a Greek Cypriot, as I suspected. It now remains for someone to approach the Evangelical Alliance to raise this issue with them.

[Nicko1]

He said that because of the scrutiny that the book was being put under by the chinese that this version would be more accurate than the western version we have.

So he admits that the truthfulness of his statements increases with the scrutiny that is applied to them? On what planet is this a defense to being accused of dishonesty?

[PDA]

So he admits that the truthfulness of his statements increases with the scrutiny that is applied to them? On what planet is this a defense to being accused of dishonesty?

I may not have worded that to correctly reflect what he meant.
Let me think about that.

Terrafirma, just out of interest who are you? Do you know me?

Also im not sure there is sufficient hard evidence to prove anything beyond a doubt yet so notifying any organization without further proof may simply make them reject the information and harden them to future notification with better evidence.

[Mackan]

I know I might be an arsehole about this, but...

Did you ask about the incident in Sweden?

(The book claims that Tony went to Sweden to meet with his girlfriend's family in Stockholm or thereabouts. That was the fist time he was arrested by the police. He claims to have stopped a rape attempt, and being arrested on the spot, with the rapist and victim still present, "because the use of MA is prohibited in Sweden".

There are no such laws and due to some contacts i made with the Police in Stockholm, we established (some 20 pages back or so) that there never was an attempted rape case in which the police had been called on site. No arrest of a rapist "in the act" hade been reported and the story didn't check out on other stuff as well.)

I am just curious, really.

Good job, Mr P. Thank you for taking some time to actually see what checks and what does not.

[Concern]

Birth Certificate

Whoever discovered records of Antonio Anthony(?), born 1969 to a Greek Cypriot mother, from North London may have the lead to 'definitive' evidence.
If the mum, who TA has had no contact with for many years, is there then and is his mum.... that's definitve.
Also there will be a local school with records, photos, classmates etc. Local people who've known him as a child.
The Greek Cypriot Community (in North London?) could have answers.
A Chinese mother and Italian father, on the other hand, would be known in the Chinese and Italian communities.
Wedding Certificate should have father and mother's names. Prison/Police/ records for the two year jail sentence in 2000 must have Tony's real names surely. From the real names there will be a 1969 birth certificate with mother and father's names.
Heir Hunters on the TV do it all the time, in minutes sometimes - and the firms featured might do it out of interest. The key firm Fraser and Fraser are in London if someone from London had a polite approach - website: http://www.lostkin.co.uk/

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@Mackan, To be honest I overlooked that one.
But TA emailed me a few days ago stating that he is going to be in touch mid july to confirm a few other points regarding the year 1987 so I will ask him then.

@Concern, this is the birth record showing a Tony Antoni born in Hendon district (North London) to a mother with a Cypriot maidon name.
Although Tony confirmed in the meeting this was not him.
I am still working on this.

You are spot on in my oppinion , the key to verifying most of the facts is in TA's real name.

TA stated during the meeting that the reason he conceals his true identity is that his family in china have threatened to kill him.

He said that the family in china are quite poor and dont necessrilly have the resources to send a hit squad after him or anything but regardless he felt the threat was serious enough that his past must be concealed.

I did point out that this statement combined with the fact he had just told me his book was being released in china and he was travelling to Singapore and Malasyia where much of the people in his audience where chinese seamed some what of a contradiction.

His answer to this was that he didnt want to just pop up infront of his family and say "here i am" it was something he wanted to do gradually.

[Concern]

Date of Birth

Do you know his exact date of birth and if it matches with the 1969 Hendon date of birth?

[Concern]

Conceals his true identity?

'TA stated during the meeting that .... he conceals his true identity...'

Does he conceal his true identity?

Or does this throw people of the scent of searching 'Tony Anthony' as his real name?

Tony went to jail in the UK 2000 - 2002. Under what name? A false one? Don't the Police check proof of identity before they imprison someone?

If Tony went to prison as Tony Anthony then he probably is Tony Anthony.

It is CRAZY logic to say you protect yourself from poor Chinese relatives by publishing an International selling book about winning 3 World Kung fu Championships after growing up in China with a Grandfather you name in the book as a famous Kung Fu Champion - and then publishing the book in China.

The 2000 conviction, the marriage certificate, the passport most likely show true and original details.

Why not ask Tony to scan and email you a copy of his passport and birth certificate - for everyone's sake?

If Tony is genuine he will do this, or agree to meet with some well known Church Leader or Martial Arts specialist and show them these documents.

Openess on his part will solve everything here

[PDA]

Most likely not i would say.
If his name was changed by deedpole he would have that name on his passport and his marriage certificate, im not sure how it works with birth certificates but i also know people that dont have their birth certificate (due to laziness in getting a copy) but get by with using passport, drivers licence and credit cards as ID.

My point being i dont think this will achieve anything so i personally wont be asking him to do this but TA does respond to respectfully put requests so anybody else is welcome to try.

Crazy logic, indeed and not the only place we have found such logic.

With regards the DOB, yes i do have the exact DOB, the archives however do not, they simply show births within a three month period so i havent been able to match it.

[Concern]

Responds to respectfully put requests?

As the DOB you have is the only Antonio Anthony that fits the three month period that could be TA. He may not have changed his name by deed pole. When did he do that - after he became a Christian? Unlikely - the Christian Faith has other ways of dealing with the past. It may be simpler than it seems. The name change story only applies if the life in China is true - and he doesn't speak Chinese...

How did you know it's North London or is that the only name that fits the DOB?

Responds to respectful questions? The CD's didn't do that according to this thread. I posted the questions I put to him at his request - no answer. The Publisher was promised answers on the Q&A - it didn't happen.

As far as there being nothing concrete to disprove his story - there's nothing concrete that proves it and much, much that does not add up.

This thread reads like a game of chess with TA.

Has he really paid someone to get him back in Wiki? Think about it - what would Wiki print? Controversial Claims with lack of evidence? Claims his real identity is hidden? Doesn't speak Chinese? A wiki entry would turn into the sort of challenges this thread presents him with.

If he told you he's paid someone and he hasn't then he's trying to keep a step ahead of the net that's closing in and using smoke screens, misinformation and confidence to get to where the hubub dies down.

Why would someone who claims to be an ambassador for the Truth play chess games with it?

I feel very sad for his family if there's no evidence behind his claims. Sad for his wife and children. Sad for him.

The Christian Faith has a new start for anyone coming clean with their past. That's all of us, including Tony - he's right there. But if his story is all concoted then I think he's playing with fire. it makes me think of the parable with the man who built his house on sand. When the storm came, the rivers rose, the winds howled and the house fell - and it fell big time.

Sad.

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As the DOB you have is the only Antonio Anthony that fits the three month period that could be TA. He may not have changed his name by deed pole. When did he do that - after he became a Christian?

I dont know, I think if it was done at all, it was when he came to england just before he met his wife.
Thats just IMO , I will find out for sure.

How did you know it's North London or is that the only name that fits the DOB?

It was in his book. True or not.

Responds to respectful questions? The CD's didn't do that according to this thread. I posted the questions I put to him at his request - no answer. The Publisher was promised answers on the Q&A - it didn't happen.
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He does respond, how much use the responce is varies.