Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

"Master Jules" CQB Bullshido in New York?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    I also contacted the NY SPCC to see what information I could gather. They were helpful and directed me to a link with other SPCC organizations.


    Dear Mr.

    I am replying to your inquiry to the NYSPCC's Executive Director, Dr. Mary L. Pulido, who is currently on vacation. We do not use "police" titles for any of our existing staff. This individual is not connected with The NYSPCC in any way. SPCC's are independantly chartered and so he might be affiliated with a different SPCC.

    Please feel free to contact me if you need additional information.

    Steve Forrester, Esq.
    Assistant Executive Director
    In my next email I named Mr. Kirk and Mr. Hoenig directly for clarification:

    Mr.
    Neither gentlemen have any connection to the NYSPCC, now or in the past.

    Steve Forrester, Esq.
    Assistant Executive Director
    The New York Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children
    Last edited by It is Fake; 8/30/2007 2:02am, .

    Comment


      So Kirk is a confirmed 1st Dan in Judo. You would assume that he would have also been listed in the 5th Dan rankings if he indeed actually possessed a 6th Dan, i.e., you have to go through 5 to get to 6.

      Are Kosen Judo rankings separated out from the Kodokan rankings?

      Is It Fake, very interesting correspondence on the NYSPCC issue. That would seem to definitively confirm that Jules was never sworn in as an SPCC agent in the state of NY. However, I believe Hawaii is the key to the SPCC puzzle in that Jules claimed to have been actually sworn in in Hawaii, correct?

      Comment


        Guys, just feel I should mention that Kodokan grades are not the same as national grades. You need to check whichever US association this person was a member of. Maybe he's a 6th in the US and the author got confused about who issued his grade.

        Comment


          Originally posted by ben saunders
          Guys, just feel I should mention that Kodokan grades are not the same as national grades. You need to check whichever US association this person was a member of. Maybe he's a 6th in the US and the author got confused about who issued his grade.
          We are checking all possibilities. Yet, we are specifically checking the author's claims. It is his responsibility to get the facts correct. We can only go by the information he gives us.

          Comment


            Originally posted by GoldenJonas
            However, I believe Hawaii is the key to the SPCC puzzle in that Jules claimed to have been actually sworn in in Hawaii, correct?
            The way his post reads yes. Now I could be reading it wrong.

            Comment


              So Kirk is a confirmed 1st Dan in Judo. You would assume that he would have also been listed in the 5th Dan rankings if he indeed actually possessed a 6th Dan
              yes, that was my take as well.

              Are Kosen Judo rankings separated out from the Kodokan rankings?
              I have no idea, but Hoenig said he had a 6th dan from the Kodokan.

              That would seem to definitively confirm that Jules was never sworn in as an SPCC agent in the state of NY.
              Not necessarily. It would confirm that he never worked for the NY SPCC (which is the oldest and largest) based in manhattan. But, he may have worked in the Bronx spcc which is a completely independent entity. There are 11 SPCCs in NYS - all independed orgs. Hoenig has never stated which SPCC he worked for, only that he worked in the Bronx/Westchester area...so it is guesswork at this point. The Bronx SPCC as I have mentioned is not so easy to contact...as their answering service referred me back to the NY SPCC. Very strange indeed.

              However, I believe Hawaii is the key to the SPCC puzzle in that Jules claimed to have been actually sworn in in Hawaii, correct?
              I agree. At this time it seems there is currently no Hawaii SPCC, but as I said above, it clearly did exist at one point based on older literature. I am trying to find out when they ceased operation or if they are still in operation. There is absolutely nothing on the net or hawaii phone directories about them in regards to contact info...just a few references to them in reports about the SPCC system in the US.

              Guys, just feel I should mention that Kodokan grades are not the same as national grades. You need to check whichever US association this person was a member of. Maybe he's a 6th in the US and the author got confused about who issued his grade.
              Good point. He could have been a USJA or USJF judoka...we could check this out. I have contacted both the USJA and USJF about this. However, Hoenig did specifically say 6th dan from the kodokan. Which is different that a 6th Dan in Kodokan Judo. But, I do agrre that it would be smart to cover all bases.

              I also want to note that if Kirk was not ranked a 6th dan, it could mean several things...
              -an error on the part of the Kodokan
              -that Hoenig lied about Kirk
              -that Hoenig told the truth, but was lied to by Kirk
              -that they both lied
              Last edited by sambosteve; 8/30/2007 11:41am, .

              Comment


                Originally posted by sambosteve
                But, he may have worked in the Bronx spcc which is a completely independent entity. There are 11 SPCCs in NYS - all independed orgs.
                Good point, I must have missed this.

                Originally posted by sambosteve
                He could have been a USJA or USJF judoka...we could check this out. I have contacted both the USJA and USJF about this. However, Hoenig did specifically say 6th dan from the kodokan. Which is different that a 6th Dan in Kodokan Judo. But, I do agrre that it would be smart to cover all bases.
                I'm not that familiar with Judo politics. I know Scrapper on these boards mentioned something a while back about there being a bit of politicking going on in the judo community (honestly nothing different than any other MA community) that may have some bearing on the "type" of judo grading, i.e., whether is was awarded by a direct kodokan affiliate or some college judo club instructor.

                I was also under the impression that the USJA and the USJF simply RECOGNIZED rank as opposed to AWARDED rank. Although, that being said, if either of those USA Judo governing bodies did recognize the rank there should be some sort of lineage tree discernible from that recognition.

                Comment


                  In line with the Kodokan's reply, I recieved this e-mail from the USJF regarding Kirk's Judo rank:

                  Hello,

                  He received his Shodan from the USJF in 1984. He has not been
                  registered with us since the early 90's.

                  Renee

                  Comment


                    From USJA:

                    Steve,

                    I have checked our records and we no record of Alexander Kirk. He has never been a member or ever registering a rank with us. Please let me know if I can help you with anything else.

                    Sincerely,

                    Dee Dee
                    UNITED STATES JUDO ASSOCIATION
                    DeeDee Weller
                    Data Entry

                    Comment


                      Here is what I received

                      Good Morning,

                      I do not have any member in my system with the name of Alexander Kirk.
                      Please let me know if I can assist you with anything else.

                      Monica





                      Monica Wright-Tafoya
                      Membership Services Director
                      USA JUDO

                      Comment


                        From : National Office
                        Sent : Friday, August 31, 2007 6:02 AM
                        To :
                        Subject : Re: [USJF-WEB] Membership Question


                        The only rank I show is his Shodan.

                        Terri


                        On Aug 30, 2007, at 5:27 PM, wrote:

                        Thank you very much is that the only rank he held or was he promoted any higher?

                        Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:13:05 -0600
                        He received his Shodan with the USJF in 1984.

                        Renee
                        On Aug 30, 2007, at 10:37 AM, wrote:


                        Hello,

                        I'm currently looking for information concerning A Gentleman named Alexander Kirk. I have been able to determine his ranking as 1st Dan according to the Kodokan in Japan.

                        I'm trying to confirm his rank in any organization with in the United States.

                        Thank you for any help
                        I asked for clarification if he was a higher rank.
                        Last edited by It is Fake; 8/31/2007 12:25pm, .

                        Comment


                          So it seems according to the Kodokan, USA Judo, USJA, and USJF. The only rank Kirk held was a 1st Dan in Judo.

                          There is always the possibility that Kirk trained with someone who never registered his rank. But, we don't know who Kirk Trained with except for Urban...which has not been confirmed. I would like to know who he studied Aikido with...combat JuJitsu as well. I did write to Urban's daughter and the head of Urban's USA Goju Organization about Kirk.

                          Comment


                            Well, I must admit, I really....REALLY am absolutely amazed at some of you guys. Just to let ALL of the members on this site know, I just started receiving harrasing PHONE CALLS from one of your members who claimed to be the head, or director, or some position of importance here on this site.
                            Whomever you are, please know this.......
                            NEXTEL has been contacted, as well as my local police department regarding these calls.
                            Just because you "blocked" your number, dont be foolish enough to think they will not find out who you are.
                            In their first call to me, when I asked who was calling, the person said they were from Bullshido, inquiring about .....and when I interrupted and said "You guys are unbelievable.....how did you get this number ?"......They said ....."It was listed right next to the picture of the naked little boy...."..........and started laughing and hung up.
                            You may have noticed that I havent been here in a little bit.....mostly because Ive been busy working, but also because I really dont care anymore. I posted my certificates for you to see as I said I would, and Ive really lost interest in going any further with this.
                            Im just amazed that one or more of your members would take this as far as to actually CALL me and make harrassing calls, and leave a harrassing message.
                            As I said.....NEXTEL, as well as the police have been contacted. I would suggest that this action stops now. It has already "crossed a line" that should not have been crossed.

                            Comment


                              Did you file a police report?

                              Comment


                                Originally posted by knifehand1
                                Well, I must admit, I really....REALLY am absolutely amazed at some of you guys. Just to let ALL of the members on this site know, I just started receiving harrasing PHONE CALLS from one of your members who claimed to be the head, or director, or some position of importance here on this site.
                                Whomever you are, please know this.......
                                NEXTEL has been contacted, as well as my local police department regarding these calls.
                                Just because you "blocked" your number, dont be foolish enough to think they will not find out who you are.
                                In their first call to me, when I asked who was calling, the person said they were from Bullshido, inquiring about .....and when I interrupted and said "You guys are unbelievable.....how did you get this number ?"......They said ....."It was listed right next to the picture of the naked little boy...."..........and started laughing and hung up.
                                You may have noticed that I havent been here in a little bit.....mostly because Ive been busy working, but also because I really dont care anymore. I posted my certificates for you to see as I said I would, and Ive really lost interest in going any further with this.
                                Im just amazed that one or more of your members would take this as far as to actually CALL me and make harrassing calls, and leave a harrassing message.
                                As I said.....NEXTEL, as well as the police have been contacted. I would suggest that this action stops now. It has already "crossed a line" that should not have been crossed.
                                The website as a whole can't be responsible for the actions of its members. So far, the investigation so far seems to be professional. And besides, at this point it's more concerned with Kirk.
                                Last edited by kwoww; 9/03/2007 6:38pm, .

                                Comment

                                Collapse

                                Edit this module to specify a template to display.

                                Working...
                                X