"Master Jules" CQB Bullshido in New York?

[It is Fake]

I also contacted the NY SPCC to see what information I could gather. They were helpful and directed me to a link with other SPCC organizations.

Dear Mr.

I am replying to your inquiry to the NYSPCC's Executive Director, Dr. Mary L. Pulido, who is currently on vacation. We do not use "police" titles for any of our existing staff. This individual is not connected with The NYSPCC in any way. SPCC's are independantly chartered and so he might be affiliated with a different SPCC.

Please feel free to contact me if you need additional information.

Steve Forrester, Esq.
Assistant Executive Director

In my next email I named Mr. Kirk and Mr. Hoenig directly for clarification:

Mr.
Neither gentlemen have any connection to the NYSPCC, now or in the past.

Steve Forrester, Esq.
Assistant Executive Director
The New York Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children

[sambosteve]

Regarding the Bronx and Hawaii SPCC.

I have been unable to get any contact information for the Bronx SPCC. I found an answering service listed as theirs (listed in several on line phone directories) which referred me back to the NY SPCC. The NY SPCC will not confirm any staff in the Bronx SPCC and claimed they were in no way related. Kind of a dead loop there.

I have contacted some of the main child protective agencies in Hawaii and have been told that there is no Hawaii SPCC...at least not currently. I have also contacted friends in Hawaii who can't find it listed in any directories. However, I have found literature on-line referring to the Hawaii SPCC (with no contact information). I have placed a call to the Hawaii Attourney General's office (child crime division) to confirm if and when the Hawaii SPCC was in operation.

[sambosteve]

I finally heard back from the Kodokan regarding Alexander Kirk's 6th Dan Rank in Judo as stated below by Mr. Hoenig:

He was a multiple High ranking black belt, who had a 7th Dan in JuJitsu, as well as both Okinawan and USA Urban Goju, and was a diredt student of Peter Urban. He also had a 6th Dan in Judo from the Kodokan.

Here is the reply I recieved from the Kodokan (I asked them about a 5th dan in error, not 6th dan):

Dear Mr. Stephen Koepfer

Thank for sending the message to us.

We confirmed about the rank of Mr. Alexander Kirk in Kodokan.

We found his name in our database. He got 1st dan (Sho dan) in July, 1985. However, we could not find his name in the list of 5th dan.

We hope that we could answer your request.

Sincerely,

Nobuhiro Imanaka
Kodokan Judo Institute

[sambosteve]

Here is a summary of how I see things regarding Mr. Hoenig...

Several pieces of info were confirmed, and several are still unclear...some more noteworthy than others.

Hoenig's Ranks:

We started looking at Mr. Hoenig's ranks. And thankfully, he has posted his grading certificates. So, in my book we did establish theat he recieved dan grades from Kirk. However, nobody has been able to find any evidence or history regarding Kirk, his own credentials, and his ranks/ability to offer dan grades in Aikido, Combat JuJitsu, Goju, and CQB. Mr. Hoenig claimed that Kirk had a 5th dan from the Kodokan and trained under Peter Urban as well. Neither claim has been verified yet. I have written to the Kodokan and have not heard back yet...and nobody has found any connection between Kirk and Urban. However, This mostly reflects on Kirk, not Hoenig. So unless otherwise discovered, my opinion is that Kirk has ranked Hoenig as he claimed.

This may not be satisfying to people in that they may not agree with Kirk's method of ranking...giving a Aikido 5th dan right off the bat (regardless of years of training), for example. But, that is really a different issue to me. But again, whether one approves with how/why Kirk ranked Hoenig, he did rank him and Hoenig offered up the certs. So, Hoenig should not have to justify these claims any more. Kirk's ability to give ranks in so many systems is not Hoenig's responsibility to prove IMO.

CQB

One question in regard to CQB is "How can Kirk offer rank in a system he had no part in creating or training in?". I agree that he should not be able to do so. Mr. Hoenig has explained that it was part of his goju exam and therefor Kirk could rank him in it...which makes no sense to me. However, this is really semantic. If Hoenig created a system, he can do whatever he wants with it...ethical, logical, honest, or not. To have a 5th dan in a brand new system simply does not make sense to me...especially when it is granted by a guy who never trained in it. The 5th Dan rank suggests validity and longevity of the system...which in not really accurate in that a brand new system does not have longevity or proven validity.

Regarding the name of the system...Hoenig did create a system and named it CQB. I think it was a very poor choice in name as it implies many things due to the fact that the term already existed and held meaningful associations. The use of an pre-existing name to define a new system is very misleading and will certainly cause confusion (as it did on this thread). People will make assumptions about the validity of Hoenig's system because of the name he chose. Like the 5th Dan Rank noted above, the name CQB implies longevity and validity because of it's prior usage by the military and other para-military groups.

3rd Dan Katsugo Ryu Aikijujitsu

On other forums/websites Hoenig claimed a 3rd Dan in this style. When questioned here about it, he claimed he had no rank in this style...after we had posted bios of his in which he did claim so. When questioned further, Hoenig claimed it was an honorary rank and that he just never explained that on the other forums. However one looks at it, the claim of a 3rd Dan in KRJ was debunked. Regardless of Mr. Hoenig's justifications, he claimed to have a rank he did not have.

Hall of Fame

Hoenig claimed to have been inducted into 2 halls of fame.
The Action Martial Arts HOF, for which he did offer the issue of the magazine in which he is pictured. Nobody has posted it yet. I did write to the magazine and have not heard back from them.

Hoenig has never offered any evidence, despite repeated questions as to the United Martial Arts HOF. There is no know website ot information about this HOF and Hoenig has not offered any leads in regard to this. This claim has not been verified.

Good Samaritan Deeds
Mr Hoenig cites several good samaritan deeds...saving the child, catching the rapist, etc. The saving of the child was verified with a newspaper article and civillian award Hoenig recieved. However, these issues are not at the root of the concern in this thread. Mr. Hoenig deserves props for these acts. Unfortunately, IMO, Mr. Hoenig's bragging about them served to build up his credibiltiy as a martial artist and eleged law enforcement. Again, this is only my opinion, but I feel this does not represent the humble nature one would expect from a seasoned martial artist.

The Secret Service

No proof of any of this has been offered. Mr. Hoenig's descriptions are not proof, though they do offer leads. They have yet to have been verified. The wordplay concerning his role and funtion has been confusing...."Limo Driver" or "Tactical Driver" for example. There is also question as to the UN gathering at which he elegedly worked with the SS.

The SPCC

Perhaps this is where there is the most confusion.

A different points in time and on different sites Mr. Hoenig has claimed he was a "cop", 'volunteer detective", "agent", and "special agent" for the NY SPCC. He claims to have been sworn in by Kirk, who we have established was Chief of the Hawaii SPCC (not Chielf of Police as Hoenig Claimed) and did pass on last year as Hoenig described.

After being questioned many times, Hoenig finally explained that he was in fact initially sworn in as a Hawaii SPCC agent, not a NY SPCC agent. And that he was in the process of becoming a NY Agent...a fact which has not been confirmed. I have also written to the Hawaii SPCC to confirm this. Hoenig claimed this all went down in the mid 1990's earlier in this thread. However, he stated he did not recall the dates and that Kirk had all the paperwork. Now Hoenig claims to have been a "cop" for 17 years. This does not add up. If Hoenig retired in 2006 as he calims he did after Kirk Died, then 17 years would put him back into 1989...not the mid 1990s. A question in my mind is that if he was never officially sworn in NY as an SPCC agent, what was the legality of his operations here?

I contacted the NY Peace Officer's Benevolent Association to see if Hoenig was ever a member...no repy yet. I also contacted the NY State Division of Criminal Justice Services which holds a registry of all NY State Peace Officers (including SPCC agents). They will not release any registry information without a signed release from Hoenig. Which IMO defeates the purpose of a registry. This ball is really in Hoenig court now. It seems Hoenig must have some kind of NY credential, ID, Paperwork, etc he could post to verify his claim that he was sworn in in NY State.

Also in question is Mr. Hoenig's use of the word "cop" as it has been well established by discovered NY State investigations of the SPCC that SPCC Peace Officers are not cops. SPCC agents are however, badged, plain clothed, registered Peace Officers, and can carry firearms. It has also been discovered that the NY SPCCs are infected with corruption, lack of oversight, and have been known to falsely portray themselves as Police organizations. While this does not directly reflect on Hoenig, it does explain much about the SPCC culture.

At this point, The NY SPCC has noted that there has never been a Kirk or Hoenig working for them (this e-mail from the NY SPCC should be posted by the forum member who has it). I have contacted the Bronx SPCC to confirm Hoenig's claim, however, They directed me to the NY office and I have not heard back from them yet. The problem here is that Hoenig says he worked in the "Bronx/Westchester Area". He has not specifically said which SPCC he was registered as a peace officer with - except the Hawaii SPCC. Hopefully, I will hear back from Hawaii soon.

So, in my eyes, this is a summary of this thread and it's main concerns.

[It is Fake]

What SPECIFIC SPCC employed you as a Peace Officer? Is it still in operation?
That's like saying I work at a McDonald's in L.A. To vague.

Chief of Police designation? Which can be answered with the above information provided.

Working with the Secret Service which, if you reread the thread, everyone carefully worded your way?

The company you were a limo Driver /bodyguard?

Again these are the things I questioned. When people said they couldn't find your teachers I provided a link to your Aiki rank. Then Fantasy Warrior googled all your teachers. Sambosteve asked you questions and looked into your rank.

Sambo posted your teachers Obit right before myself. We both said rest in peace.

I found the two archived stories and posted them. These are thing you put out there and weren't in question.

There are many skilled people who don't hold rank. Your skill doesn't necessarily equal your rank.

This thread could possibly be dead and gone if you had of ignored lumberjack and elbow bomber. I understand your frustration but, even when we tried to explain, you wanted to fight.

So, I'll say this for the 5th time, I never questioned your fighting ability. I never questioned your Rank. I never called you a fraud, liar, or bullshido. So, to prioritize those at the top, when they were low priority for me personally, doesn't make any other information less.

That's Uri's list and he is entitled to his opinion just like myself.

[knifehand1]

To "It is Fake"......what is it that you are still uncertain, or doubtful about ? ......if you can be specific, as you have seen already, I will do (again) my best to try to answer your questions. After all, this has just gotta stop at some point. I believe (or at least hope, based on some other member's posts) that I have satisfied your groups "investigation" of me.......so, with that said.....what else is there that you are STILL uncertain/doubtful about, so we can FINALLY end this "interrogation/inquisition" ?

[knifehand1]

He still calls himself a cop when he ain't? And jumped from zero-dan to 5th Dan in Aikido is one jump. And makes misleading comments about creating "CQB" which at any rate he describes as a military art even though he isn't a military man, it isn't used by the military and probably wouldn't be that usefulto the military (unless it's something radically different to the commonsensical understanding of what combatives are and aim to achieve).

I didnt "jump" from "zero Dan to 5th Dan".....I had been training for a long time, and simply never tested. When tested, I was awarded 5th Dan, as MY master felt that was the level that I had reached upon testing.

As far as the "CQB" comment, the military uses two terms, actually. They are CQB (close quarter battle"(, as well as CQC ("close quarter combat"). I chose to use "CQB" as the name for my system, simply because it "fit" most acurately what my system was all about.

In regards to me calling myself a "cop", I was one for 17 years. I have exlained in earlier posts, that whe Master Kirk passed away last august, I believe I used the terms "I retired, or quit", because I simply didnt want to go on without him, and quite frankly, the things that I had seen that had been done to children during my 17 years of service were SO disgusting and heart wrenching, I just emotionally couldnt do it anymore.

[It is Fake]

So, here's a summary of several concerns, some of which have been satisfied and others which some still doubt, in descending order of concern:

Mr. Hoenig claiming to have...

1. ...a host of high ranks
2. ...helped the woman in the car accident.
3. ...received the Police Commissioner's Award
4. ...being a badged SPCC peace officer with arrest powers beyond those of a normal citizen
5. ...worked with the secret service
   
   Also,
   
   
6. Describing himself as a "cop" in a letter could be misleading
7. Describing CQB Tactics as a "military" system could be misleading

This claim is...

1. ...true. He uploaded his certificates for all to see.
2. ...true. We found the newspaper article.
3. ...true. He uploaded the certificate.
4. ...still unkown. There is an effort to contact people who would know.
5. ...still unkown. We do not know if this claim is possible to prove or disprove.
   
   Also,
   
   
6. We still can not tell if this is misleading, or how misleading it is. If he was badged as a peace officer, then it is less misleading. If he was not, it is more misleading.
7. Using this term could be misleading, because it is not used in the military. However, if it is based on other military combatitives, it could be a "military" system in a certain sense.

We've reduced the important concerns to a minimum. In my opinion, the self-description as a "cop" isn't really a big deal, seeing as it was a private message that was not intended for public viewing and wasn't meant to establish more credit.

I think that the important points, mainly the host of high and respectable ranks, have been satisfied, and anything from this point on is significantly less important.

I'm getting tired of saying this please reread the thread. Thank you.

[Uri Shatil]

So, here's a summary of several concerns, some of which have been satisfied and others which some still doubt, in descending order of concern:

Mr. Hoenig claiming to have...

1. ...a host of high ranks
2. ...helped the woman in the car accident.
3. ...received the Police Commissioner's Award
4. ...being a badged SPCC peace officer with arrest powers beyond those of a normal citizen
5. ...worked with the secret service
   
   Also,
   
   
6. Describing himself as a "cop" in a letter could be misleading
7. Describing CQB Tactics as a "military" system could be misleading

This claim is...

1. ...true. He uploaded his certificates for all to see.
2. ...true. We found the newspaper article.
3. ...true. He uploaded the certificate.
4. ...still unkown. There is an effort to contact people who would know.
5. ...still unkown. We do not know if this claim is possible to prove or disprove.
   
   Also,
   
   
6. We still can not tell if this is misleading, or how misleading it is. If he was badged as a peace officer, then it is less misleading. If he was not, it is more misleading.
7. Using this term could be misleading, because it is not used in the military. However, if it is based on other military combatitives, it could be a "military" system in a certain sense.

We've reduced the important concerns to a minimum. In my opinion, the self-description as a "cop" isn't really a big deal, seeing as it was a private message that was not intended for public viewing and wasn't meant to establish more credit.

I think that the important points, mainly the host of high and respectable ranks, have been satisfied, and anything from this point on is significantly less important.

[sambosteve]

FW,

I agree there are plenty of concerns, misrepresentations (IMO), and unanswered questions. My only point was to say that, at the very least Hoenig did come here and answer questions under scrutiny...which many would not do. This does not minimize other concerns, but gives Hoenig the props he deserves for coming here to answer questions in the first place.

[Fantasy Warrior]

He still calls himself a cop when he ain't? And jumped from zero-dan to 5th Dan in Aikido is one jump. And makes misleading comments about creating "CQB" which at any rate he describes as a military art even though he isn't a military man, it isn't used by the military and probably wouldn't be that usefulto the military (unless it's something radically different to the commonsensical understanding of what combatives are and aim to achieve).

[sambosteve]

knifehand1,

Again, thanks for posting the certs. Not too many people would be as forthcoming with them.

Uri,

Very few people (other than single posters) have called fraud. What most people here have been concerned with, it seems to me, is possible misrepresentation, exaggeration, and validity or Mr. Hoenig's ranks and claims...not outright lying.

To Knifehand1's credit, he came here, dropped the adversarial attitude, and has done his best to answer a host of questions as best he could. Everyone should appreciate this, regardless of what they end up believing about him in regards to his credentials and experience.

[It is Fake]

Thanks for posting the certs.

[knifehand1]

Mr. Hoenig, I apologize for doubting your certifications and claims about your martial arts and other history and qualifications. I, Uri Shatil, for one, am completely and thoroughly convinced that your claims are true, and I thank you for your help and cooperation.

Thank you. It will be interesting to see if those other posters who have been proved wrong will be a gentleman in the manner that you have......LOTS of people were VERY loud about me being a "fraud" in the beginning........Id like to see if theyll be equally loud apologizing now.

[knifehand1]

Thanks for posting those certs. I had to register with myspace to see them.
I did have one question about your 6th dan goju from Master Kirk...

Here you said:
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The date on your scan says it was signed and dated on 10/12/2006.

I thought I made a post in regards to that.....I had misspken wehen I wrote that post. I had been up for 36 hrs srtaight and was in a total fog. It should have read that it was mailed to me in August of 2006, and didnt take effect , technically until October of 2006. That way MY mistake from serious lack of sleep. I actually forgot what year this was...lol....I know....yes.....Im going senile......Ive beenworking 6 nites a week and barely sleeping to well during the day and I was just TOTALLY shot when I wrote that. I could have sworn that I wrote a "re=post" about that but I never would up seeing it.