"Master Jules" CQB Bullshido in New York?

[Lumberjack]

Ok, I personally think Jules' claims are suspicious and he's obviously awarded himself 5th dans and whatever. But one thing he's done that has impressed me is offer to meet people face to face. He seems legit as to where you can find him and insisting on him going to a Throwdown is a bit unfair if he's not part of the MMA, grappling or kickboxing scene.

A lot of people are saying "why should we bother meeting him?" well I thought this place was about putting up or shutting up. Jules seems to want to put up and he seems to want to walk the walk even if he is talking shite about secret service work and other things.

Also, what will it prove "trying to prove him wrong?"? He's not exactly going to say "ok right you got me. good play lads" is he. When it comes down to it, Martial Arts is about fighting, not "investigating" or background checks.

If you went to meet Jules then why not have a few of you go? Even if Asia fights some others can still be there if the bouncers get involved ... which I doubt they would do if it's an arranged thing. And before someone says "why don't you go?" well the reason is because i'm in Britain.

If Bullshido is all about putting up or shutting up, then why are you ducking Jules challenge? That's not to say his claims are not bullshit .... but we could go around in circles on them forever. I say meet up, and even if you don't fight it can be recorded and posted and both parties will have more respect at the end of it. The JFS saga went on for ages until it finally came to blows, and that is evidence enough to prove that that is what is necessary to settle these things sometimes.

[knifehand1]

[quote=Lumberjack]Ok, I personally think Jules' claims are suspicious and he's obviously awarded himself 5th dans and whatever. But one thing he's done that has impressed me is offer to meet people face to face. He seems legit as to where you can find him and insisting on him going to a Throwdown is a bit unfair if he's not part of the MMA, grappling or kickboxing scene.

You may think my claims are suspicious....thats your right....but I NEVER awarded myself ANY dan or any other rank in anything.....All my ranks were rightfully and officially awarded to me, as I said, by Master Kirk, and Master Grabow. What I have tried to explain about the Katsugu Ry awars is that ( and Ive said this before)....The award was in GOJU, not AikiJuJitsu....Master Tores saw it fitting to award me a 3rd Dan in GOJU, under the auspices of his Katsugo Ryu organization. Ive said that from day 1 to anyone who has ever asked me about that. Im glad I "impressed" you by my offer to meet people face to face....and that offer still stands.

[knifehand1]

oh man he showed up & i missed it again? damn those nightshifts

in the meantime i found this :rolleyes: Asia better watchout for those shards lmao

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:48 am Post subject:
Denni....

And what is not physiologically factual about this post ? You dont see me claiming to have the ability to do it, do you, just that it is a physiological fact.....so whats your point in posting this ?

[knifehand1]

Knifehand1,

I think you will find that most people here who have put any time into looking things up, myself included, are not trying to prove you wrong. Just the opposite. We have been trying to verify your claims. If it were the opposite, we would just claim BS and call it a day. Why put in the time?

Look, I am the one who researched the SPCC to verify your claim about the title "agent" and the role of the SPCC. I am the one who found Kirk's Obit and verified that info for you. Not everyone here is out to rattle feathers. However, your adversarial attitude brings that stuff out.

There are many inconsistencies and seeming exaggerations in your discussions, bios, stories, etc, so it has been difficult. I know several of my questions to you have not been addressed.

Regarding my questions that have not been answered (if you choose to):

Your claim here on this forum that you are not a 3rd Dan in Katsugo Ryu AikiJuJitsu, yet in two of your bios on other sites you claim you are.

I am still also unsure of who promoted to to 5th dan in Aikido...was it also Kirk?

I am in agreement with some of the posters that your word play regarding titles and roles, jobs you have held, etc, could be considered lies by many or at the very least gross misrepresentations for your own benefit. I too think you are not lying outright about much of what you post here, but it seems to me that you have spun a web of exaggeration that has come back to bite you in the butt.

Yes, my Aikido rank also came from Master Kirk. His Aikido teacher was Ted Smith, a 10th dan under Peter Urban. ALL of my ranks came from Master Kirk, and Glen Grabow......how much longer is this "investigation" going to go on for ?

I try to answer all your questions, but when your "researchers" cant find any proof of it, I am deemed to be a liar....that doesnt sound to fair to me....just because they cant find proof means it doesnt exist or didnt happen ?......Thats rediculous, and unfair.

[Elbow Bomber]

re

And what is not physiologically factual about this post ? You dont see me claiming to have the ability to do it, do you, just that it is a physiological fact.....so whats your point in posting this ?

well when i saw it i just thought it was kind off odd that you chose "knifehand" as your handle on here after posting that? why can't you do it then after all that conditionig and stuff youve done?

I try to answer all your questions, but when your "researchers" cant find any proof of it, I am deemed to be a liar....that doesnt sound to fair to me....just because they cant find proof means it doesnt exist or didnt happen ?......Thats rediculous, and unfair.

i actually agree with you here if this is what is happening and i hope that its not.

[knifehand1]

Today is the one year anniversary of Master Alexander Kirks death.......Out of respect for him, and the things I have planned in regards to that, I hope you will respect the fact that I will not be posting anything here (or anywhere else today) I truly wish he was still here....he would put an end to this nonsense immediately.

I would also like to say that (as I said before) I KNOW my ranks are real....I never made up a certificate in my life, nor would I ever dream of doing such. Since I KNOW my ranks are real......simply let your "reaserchers" prove that they are not. Everything I have said is TRUE, from working under Master Kirk as an agaent, and subsequently being promoted to special agent. I DID work with (NOT FOR) the Secret Service in the capacity mentioned before.....I dont need to prove anything.....you go ahead....do your research, and prove me wrong.....youre only problem is this....You will never be able to prove the truth wrong.
Have a nice day.....Lets see if anyone has the courtesy to say anything respectful about Master Kirk on the anniversary of his passing. Untill tomorrow.....have a nice day

[Lumberjack]

Jules, I don't want to be drawn into "investigating" you because that is rather gay. Martial Arts should be about fighting and that's that. You offered people to test you and I think they should accept, because what you claim does seem to be quite a lot of bollocks, so seeing if you can walk the walk aswell as talk the talk is what should be important here.

The most glaring thing though is that you CLAIM to have created CQB as a style when that term has existed for years as a military term. You did NOT creat the term CQB. And even if you created a style that is also called CQB, who can grade you to 5th Dan if YOU created the style? your Karate master can't because he is not qualified in the style you created. Being a 5th Dan in Karate does not make you an automatic 5th Dan in CQB or whatever style you make. I don't know anything about Akido or the secret service stuff so I'm not going to comment further on that. It just sounds a bit far fetched to me.

However, like I said, the fact you've agreed to step up and prove your ability with your actions is respectable. It seems most people on here are happy talking and preaching about martial arts but wont get their hands dirty. Surely some Bullshido forumites are in New York?

[It is Fake]

He seems legit as to where you can find him and insisting on him going to a Throwdown is a bit unfair if he's not part of the MMA, grappling or kickboxing scene.

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New York aparantly. I reckon he should atleast be invited to atend a Throwdown to back up his claims, or even have his school formally investigated.

A lot of people are saying "why should we bother meeting him?" well I thought this place was about putting up or shutting up. Jules seems to want to put up and he seems to want to walk the walk even if he is talking shite about secret service work and other things.

POST#14

New York aparantly. I reckon he should atleast be invited to atend a Throwdown to back up his claims, or even have his school formally investigated.

Also, what will it prove "trying to prove him wrong?"? He's not exactly going to say "ok right you got me. good play lads" is he. When it comes down to it, Martial Arts is about fighting, not "investigating" or background checks.

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New York aparantly. I reckon he should atleast be invited to atend a Throwdown to back up his claims, or even have his school formally investigated.

If Bullshido is all about putting up or shutting up, then why are you ducking Jules challenge?

Ducking? Ducking? Bwahahahhahah Uhmm that would be you.

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New York aparantly. I reckon he should atleast be invited to atend a Throwdown to back up his claims, or even have his school formally investigated.

Now I have to get ready for work.....and as far as this "Lumberjacks" invitation to a "throwdown".....I work at The Whiskey Rio on the water front in Yonkers NY.....if youre in NY....stop by.....like the line from Kill Bill 2..... I work in a bar....If you wanna fight....come to the bar, start some shit, and we'll be in a fight.....simple enough for you ?

And before someone says "why don't you go?" well the reason is because i'm in Britain.

Jules, I don't want to be drawn into "investigating" you because that is rather gay. Martial Arts should be about fighting and that's that.

POST#14

New York aparantly. I reckon he should atleast be invited to atend a Throwdown to back up his claims, or even have his school formally investigated.

I had a long post breaking your post down but, I thought your own words would suffice.

[Gezere]

Jules, I don't want to be drawn into "investigating" you because that is rather gay. Martial Arts should be about fighting and that's that. You offered people to test you and I think they should accept, because what you claim does seem to be quite a lot of bollocks, so seeing if you can walk the walk aswell as talk the talk is what should be important here.

The most glaring thing though is that you CLAIM to have created CQB as a style when that term has existed for years as a military term. You did NOT creat the term CQB. And even if you created a style that is also called CQB, who can grade you to 5th Dan if YOU created the style? your Karate master can't because he is not qualified in the style you created. Being a 5th Dan in Karate does not make you an automatic 5th Dan in CQB or whatever style you make. I don't know anything about Akido or the secret service stuff so I'm not going to comment further on that. It just sounds a bit far fetched to me.

However, like I said, the fact you've agreed to step up and prove your ability with your actions is respectable. It seems most people on here are happy talking and preaching about martial arts but wont get their hands dirty. Surely some Bullshido forumites are in New York?

Fighting skill and Claims are two seperate issues. Right now his claims are the issue we can move into his fighting prowess later. I could be baddest motherfucker in the world but me claiming to be the last line of a uber secret koga ninja clan woudl be BS and not amount of skill will change that fact. Jules is more the welcome to go to a throwdown but that has little bearing on the things that are being questioned. I don't recall anyone saying, "Ha ha look at that guy he's a pussy and can't fight." I see pple question the things he said he did. Two seperat issues.

[GoldenJonas]

A lot of people are saying "why should we bother meeting him?" well I thought this place was about putting up or shutting up. Jules seems to want to put up and he seems to want to walk the walk even if he is talking shite about secret service work and other things.....

If Bullshido is all about putting up or shutting up, then why are you ducking Jules challenge? That's not to say his claims are not bullshit .... but we could go around in circles on them forever. I say meet up, and even if you don't fight it can be recorded and posted and both parties will have more respect at the end of it. The JFS saga went on for ages until it finally came to blows, and that is evidence enough to prove that that is what is necessary to settle these things sometimes.

You sir are an idiot. Whether or not Jules can beat the shit out of someone has absolutely NO BEARING on whether his claims of multiple dan ranks, 2000 fights, secret service employment, creation of CQB, and police commendations, etc, etc., are valid, figments of his imaginations, or are being used as fraudulent marketing tools to make a buck.

Please re-read Asia's posts concerning this matter.

Slowly but surely Jules is providing info to verify some of his assertions and claims while others are left wanting as pointed out by IIF.

The POINT of Bullshido is not to challenge every MA fraud (Jule's, before you go and get worked up here, I AM NOT CALLING YOU A FRAUD, I'm speaking in the general "mission statement" type contaxt) to a friggen NHB St33t Deathmatch. The point is to spotlight fraudulent claims of MA prowess and inflated credentials which mislead consumers.

So, Lumberjack, re-read Asia's posts, read IIF's post above, read this post and......

STFU

[Snake Plissken]

As far as "this little gem" asshole.....I have the certificate from the White Plains Police Dept, as well as the police blotter articles......I guess youre just NOT the kind of person that would help someone who needs it.....yeah.....youre a good guy

Don't worry, I have submitted a FOIA request for records concerning the incident as well as any citations and awards issued to a Mr. Julius Hoenig.

The reason many people doubt your claims, not as it you really care, is there is too much. Most people see the list of claims and accomplishments and say "Wow"
most trained martial artists say "BS"
because of the sheer number of them.

I would venture to guess a majority of the posters here see you as just trolling for MySpace ass, which is fine...what I have a problem with the the appearance of impropriety. If you choose to put you credentials out into public and claim mastery, you should be prepared for what comes of it.

As for you questions regarding my ability or desire to help someone in need....well, most people will go through life and have one moment of decision. Wow, you had three....what are the odds. Either you seek these situations or they find you by happenstance. Or...not.

Should I need to prove any admins the steps I took to help others, I will be happy to fax or scan/e-mail something to them. They need only PM me and I will do so.

The reason these questions are being raised aren't personal, merely factual. Odds are, each of us has been taken by a less then reputable instructor and we are trying to aid others to avoid it happening to them.

If you truly are legitimately awarded as claimed and truly are a former instructor and former *good* dojo owner, I would hope you would understand and appreciate this site.

If not, enjoy the MySpace ass.

[Tom Kagan]

So as to not derail this one further, Lumberjack's nutriding and his "you all are a bunch of pussies" ACA style trolling rant/meltdown was given its own thread:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59031

[knifehand1]

Don't worry, I have submitted a FOIA request for records concerning the incident as well as any citations and awards issued to a Mr. Julius Hoenig.

The reason many people doubt your claims, not as it you really care, is there is too much. Most people see the list of claims and accomplishments and say "Wow"
most trained martial artists say "BS"
because of the sheer number of them.

I would venture to guess a majority of the posters here see you as just trolling for MySpace ass, which is fine...what I have a problem with the the appearance of impropriety. If you choose to put you credentials out into public and claim mastery, you should be prepared for what comes of it.

As for you questions regarding my ability or desire to help someone in need....well, most people will go through life and have one moment of decision. Wow, you had three....what are the odds. Either you seek these situations or they find you by happenstance. Or...not.

Should I need to prove any admins the steps I took to help others, I will be happy to fax or scan/e-mail something to them. They need only PM me and I will do so.

The reason these questions are being raised aren't personal, merely factual. Odds are, each of us has been taken by a less then reputable instructor and we are trying to aid others to avoid it happening to them.

If you truly are legitimately awarded as claimed and truly are a former instructor and former *good* dojo owner, I would hope you would understand and appreciate this site.

If not, enjoy the MySpace ass.

When you contact th White Plains Police Dept....get it straight.....the award was for the year 2003, and given in 2004, and my name is JULIAN HOENIG......just so you have your facts straight.....Ive also submitted the article dates to another poster for verification......and so far, Lumberjack is right.....if this place is about "put up or shut op"....well...I "Put up".....meaning.....you all now know my name, where I work, and have been invited to come and "test me".....so far....nobody....NOBODY has put up.....kinda seems like he's right.....youre probably just a bunch of "wannabes" sitting behind the anonimity of a keyboard where its nice and safe......step out into the real world and lets see whatchya got......Ive always said "the belt just holds up your pants....get on the mat and lets see what you got".....so far.....not one of you has "stepped up to the plate"....so much for your "put up or shut up"

[knifehand1]

Oh, and btw" Aardvarks".....I DO enjoy lots of MySpace ass.....judging by your picture all you probably enjoy is your right hand (or left if you go that way)

[It is Fake]

When you contact th White Plains Police Dept....get it straight.....the award was for the year 2003, and given in 2004, and my name is JULIAN HOENIG......just so you have your facts straight.....Ive also submitted the article dates to another poster for verification......and so far, Lumberjack is right.....if this place is about "put up or shut op"....well...I "Put up".....meaning.....you all now know my name, where I work, and have been invited to come and "test me".....so far....nobody....NOBODY has put up.....kinda seems like he's right.....youre probably just a bunch of "wannabes" sitting behind the anonimity of a keyboard where its nice and safe......step out into the real world and lets see whatchya got......Ive always said "the belt just holds up your pants....get on the mat and lets see what you got".....so far.....not one of you has "stepped up to the plate"....so much for your "put up or shut up"

No one is going to come to your job. If you choose not to go to a throwdown that is on you. This whole fight me at my job thing has to stop.
This is getting ridiculous who challenged your skill?

Please tell us so we know.

Your stories were challenged. That's it. No one said you didn't love Martial Arts no one said your art was fake. Except for one person. That same person got you ready to fight when you first appeared.