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    Calgary, AB Canada : Energy Lake System of Martial Arts

    OK....we all enjoy talking about Bullshido....so lets hear the comments for this school. Now these guys act like a cult, and they are pretty expensive, around $1000/year , and this was in 1993.....I'm not sure how much it is right now, but they charge by the year.
    They do a lot of forms, and some light sparring using animal forms.....
    oh and they call it system of martial arts because kung fu is a name......and they are not bound by any name.
    Check out the videos, and comment.
    I call it bullshido, but would like to see some differing opinions

    http://energylake.ca/index.htm

    #2
    Welcome to Bullshido please tell us why you feel it is bullshido.

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      #3
      The sparring leaves a ton to be desired.

      No combinations.
      Lunge Punches.
      One hit attacks.
      Many attacks just ripe for takedowns, sweeps, throws etc etc.

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        #4
        Originally posted by georgesoros
        OK....we all enjoy talking about Bullshido....so lets hear the comments for this school. Now these guys act like a cult, and they are pretty expensive, around $1000/year , and this was in 1993.....I'm not sure how much it is right now, but they charge by the year.
        They do a lot of forms, and some light sparring using animal forms.....
        oh and they call it system of martial arts because kung fu is a name......and they are not bound by any name.
        Check out the videos, and comment.
        I call it bullshido, but would like to see some differing opinions

        http://energylake.ca/index.htm
        A cult? What makes you say that? And what do you define as "expensive"? Brazilan Jiu Jitsu schools around hear are EASILY that expensive.

        It's far from the worst I've seen.

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          #5
          Originally posted by HongKongFukYu
          A cult? What makes you say that? And what do you define as "expensive"? Brazilan Jiu Jitsu schools around hear are EASILY that expensive.

          It's far from the worst I've seen.
          It is close though did you look at the videos?

          Anyway what he said. Level accusations we need stories and proof. I'll agree it looks like a typical TMA MCdojo with red flags of bullshido all over the place.

          Tell us your story and why and maybe we will pick it apart.
          Last edited by It is Fake; 6/08/2007 10:31am, .

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            #6
            Originally posted by It is Fake
            It is close though did you look at the videos?

            Anyway what he said. Level accusations we need storeis and proof. I'll agree it looks like a typical TMA MCdojo with red flags of bullshido all over the place.

            Tell us your story and why and maybe we will pick it apart.
            Unfortunately I missed the videos until just now...ok the sparring is pretty bad, no doubt but it's not nearly as bad as the Coda Scott video in this same thread.

            The forms are...well, they're forms. :)

            Still calling something a "cult" and saying that 1200 is expensive (BJJ is going to cost me a but more than that) is reaching a bit.

            Then again tons of CMA "dojos" have the potential to a foster a cult mentality so the original poster may be onto something.

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              #7
              Originally posted by It is Fake
              It is close though did you look at the videos?

              Anyway what he said. Level accusations we need storeis and proof. I'll agree it looks like a typical TMA MCdojo with red flags of bullshido all over the place.

              Tell us your story and why and maybe we will pick it apart.
              Hi, thanks for the welcome.....actually i don't go to the school(nor would i want to) so i guess its none of my business....But this site is bullshido right?..However i do know someone who went to the school for 4 years. If you look at the instructor, he studied 'kung fu' for 3 years before becoming an instructor.......I just don't think 3 years cuts it. Also, they have all these rainbow belt colours like tae kwon do. I dont' believe in forcing students to pay for the whole year....thats just me! Now, some would argue that since i dont go to their school, can i really comment? And thats a valid response, but looking at their videos and what they teach it looks bad. Black belt kata?
              As i said i know someone who went there, the guy that runs the place claims to be a renegade shaolin monk. They dont use a lot of contact either because the techniques are too deadly. Mention UFC, and they say too many rules.....i.e. no eye gouging.....
              Is it the worst one out there?....well probably not, but it looks pretty bad
              I mean if you teach WU shu, and call it wu shu ......something for exercise and performance art, thats fine......but if someone says wushu is for kicking ass well, you would have a hard time convincing me.......and yes energy lake claims to be about practical self defense.
              anyways gotta get back to work

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                #8
                Originally posted by HongKongFukYu
                Unfortunately I missed the videos until just now...ok the sparring is pretty bad, no doubt but it's not nearly as bad as the Coda Scott video in this same thread.

                The forms are...well, they're forms. :)

                Still calling something a "cult" and saying that 1200 is expensive (BJJ is going to cost me a but more than that) is reaching a bit.

                Then again tons of CMA "dojos" have the potential to a foster a cult mentality so the original poster may be onto something.
                Actually maybe I shouldnt have said 'cult' ....
                its just that i know this guy who went to the school for 4 years, and he seemed brainwashed completely......He thought he was a 'warrior' and ready to die....
                Now it may have nothing to do with the school, and just his disturbed mentality,
                so.....I could be wrong about that......one student doesnt necessarily reflect
                an entire school......
                but the videos sure look bad

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by georgesoros
                  Actually maybe I shouldnt have said 'cult' ....
                  its just that i know this guy who went to the school for 4 years, and he seemed brainwashed completely......He thought he was a 'warrior' and ready to die....
                  Now it may have nothing to do with the school, and just his disturbed mentality,
                  so.....I could be wrong about that......one student doesnt necessarily reflect
                  an entire school......
                  but the videos sure look bad
                  Well your friend is clearly delusional, and schools like the one you posted do help to enable delusion.

                  It's just typical CMA garbage. I've just numbed myself to it over the years. Hell I have a guy at work here who is claiming he can stop a double-leg takedown by pinching the inside of my leg (he learned this "technique" from some Kung Fu school he's going to now). The guy also can't run a mile without gassing and is as skinny as a rail. I just nod in agreement and move on.

                  Hopefully you're friend will grow up and stop playing warrior with his Kung Fu friends. Then again, some people just want to be decieved by themselves and others.
                  Last edited by HongKongFukYu; 6/08/2007 10:46am, .

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                    #10
                    Boy this is getting to be a tired refrain.

                    Yes, this is the Bullshido website. No, you can't just post a website and say see bullshido tee hee ha ha.

                    We have had problems with vendettas.

                    Right now it looks like a McDojo questionable techniques, forms, no gear in sparring etc etc etc.


                    That in and of itself doesn't make it Bullshido.

                    Now if you do research (hint hint) the instructors claims are false, he has no Martial art training, has a bunch of false certificates (that can be proven), and is fleecing his students, then you can scream bullshido from the top of your lungs.

                    A Cursory glance shows a guy who started his own Martial Art that is a Mcdojo.

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                      #11
                      1200 may not be as expensive as BJJ, but BJJ doesn't usually make you sign up for a year. That's a substantial difference. And the pseudo-philosophical bullshit is intolerable; from their "Name Origin" page:

                      The earth holds within itself the body of the lake

                      Nurturing, and cradling it like that of a mother holding her child

                      Looking upon it, I wondered if the reflection went down to the dark depths of its soul

                      And as the light of the sun heated the lake, it transformed the reflection and ascended it towards the heavens

                      And as the the suns energy was blocked by clouds, clouds of all those who had looked before, it transformed again and fearlessly descended towards earth

                      Separate drops, undistinguished from each other, joining to form a welcomed union

                      And as the thunder gave way to silence and the sun broke through the clouds the lake now gently rippling caused the reflection to look older

                      But as time returned the lake to its original calm the reflection started to look young again, only wiser
                      That's a god awful poem. Have I said, on this site, how much I loathe the shitty writing of those who believe themselves profound? I mean, I'm no fucking genius, but at least I don't walk around thinking that I'm deep and spiritual because I write bad free-verse nature poetry.

                      Couldn't the guy at least have handed it to a fucking editor before posting it? The grammatical errors should be embarrassing even if the author doesn't realize how pretentious it is.

                      Unfortunately, I have to agree that not much has been done to establish this place as bullshido. Though I look forward to a significant investigation.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by kohadril

                        Unfortunately, I have to agree that not much has been done to establish this place as bullshido. Though I look forward to a significant investigation.
                        My curiosity has been piqued.

                        The blurb about learning for three years at Energy Martial Arts then opening Energy Martial arts is confounding.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by It is Fake
                          My curiosity has been piqued.

                          The blurb about learning for three years at Energy Martial Arts then opening Energy Martial arts is confounding.
                          If you need any help, independent verification of e-mails or something like that, let me know by PM or in this thread.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by kohadril
                            If you need any help, independent verification of e-mails or something like that, let me know by PM or in this thread.
                            I will.

                            It smacks of a falling out and I'll start my own studio.

                            Energy Lake Kung-Fu Studios in Etobicoke, Ontario is where he studied.

                            He then opens The Energy Lake System of Martial Arts 8 years later.

                            Yet, he was teaching in three?

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                              #15
                              I didn't see a single redeeming thing on that website. I was really impressed with the "History" page.

                              "1988 - Gary Lee Braniff started training at Energy Lake Kung-Fu Studios in Etobicoke, Ontario.

                              1991 - Moved to Calgary to become an Instructor.

                              1996 - Started The Energy Lake System of Martial Arts."

                              Usually most Kung Fu based arts have a history that stretches back quite a bit farther than 1991, even if they're bullshit. I agree with It Is Fake, it screams falling out. Does anybody have any idea what system of CMA they are claiming to teach?
                              安氏八极拳学生

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