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    Reality Defense in Phoenix, AZ a McDojo?

    There's a place in north Phoenix nearby where I live that I believe qualifies as a McDojo. I read their website and it has all the buzzwords. Anybody want to dig a little deeper?

    http://www.realitydefense.com
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    Not a bullshit school
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    Kind of a bullshit school
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    Bullshit school-not recommended by bullshido
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    #2
    From the page on "Intermediate Protection Skills (I.P.S.)":
    Sweet. Once these guys enter the MMA arena, grappling arts will be rendered useless!
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      #3
      "R.D.T. will also teach you to defend yourself with a variety of weapons - from ball-point pens to firearms."
      Thats alot of weapons!

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        #4
        Boy have I got stories to tell about this place. I'm on my way to the gym to train right now but in a nut shell yes it's bullshit.

        Tomorrow I'll dig up the review I did of this place several years ago.

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          #5
          Can I just post a small piece from the women's defense course page (on training with edged weapons)? This may provide some quick enlightenment:

          "Conceptually, the most popular weapon is a firearm. This is an excellent weapon because most people are afraid of them and they possess a definite stopping. The problem with a firearm is that it is typically heavy and bulky, whereas most knives are light and small. It is much easier for a woman to conceal and carry a blade. The blade is a touch weapon. This means that it will require no physical strength to cause tremendous damage and therefore cause an attacker to think twice about attacking again. A blade can actually cut several times with complete silence and with deadly effectiveness. Most people have a fear of being cut and will shun away from a woman wielding a knife with confidence.

          Unlike chemical deterrents, a knife will have a positive effect on a person, letting them know that you mean business. Besides, it will truly be unexpected. "


          Exhibit A...

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            #6
            Quotes about the instructors:

            Jeff Barto: "In addition he is proficient in the use of many types close quarters battle weapons including Knives, Street Stick, and Street Staff." WTF is a street stick and a street staff?

            Tim Shicky: "Certified practitioner of Frank Shamrock's Submission Fighting." So what? I pay my club fees to, but not to Frank Shamrock. Got to make me a certified practitioner in SJJ, which says, um, not much.

            Also Tim Shicky: "...any student fortunate enough to interact with Tim in training will have the ability to handle a real situation." Wonder why it doesn't say "any" or "most of"?

            And don't forget to read Mike Dzioba's list of training credentials, including hop kee do (zip-a-dee-doodah?), Graci ju jitsu, jet kune do, and Mui Tia. And only jet kune do has been practised for more than 8 months -- well, apart from RDT of course.

            Anyone live nearby and know more?

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              #7
              I just might have to drop by and take a look *g*

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                      #11
                      Thank you for the review Goldust. I drove by there about a week ago, and thought it was interesting, but didn't have time to stop in. What gym do you train at, I'm assuming you're in the area. I live over near Cave Creek and Thunderbird but drive to Tempe to get in a workout usually if I do at all.

                      I'm glad I didn't waste my time going there, it just sounds like a scam place that does point sparring or some bullshit like that. If I weren't afraid of some fat sweaty guy in a red man suit grabbing my balls trying to explain the "fabulous five" I might go in. Do they really teach to grab balls and eye gouge there? If you practice how to eye gouge you're going to probably blind your training partners sooner or later. I'm going to talk to my friend who said he was looking to go there to train self defense. He'll be glad to know that he shouldn't waste his time either.

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                        #12
                        Hey goldust.

                        Go here and get yourself a school critique Icon.
                        I know you'll say you don't care but, why not pimp your school a bit.


                        http://www.bullshido.net/forums/newt...newthread&f=84

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                          #13
                          The tangent discussion of Roland Sarrea's BJJ black belt credentials can be found here:
                          http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54488


                          The tangent discussion of where else to train in Tempe, AZ can be found here:
                          http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54489
                          Last edited by Tom Kagan; 5/07/2007 9:20am, .
                          Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.
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                            #14
                            Rely to the uninformed

                            Hello, my name is Troy Coe, Founder of Reality Defense Training. I was forwarded the link to this forum but someone I don't know and am responding to some of the things I have read. I will start with the rant drafted by GOLDUST. I will say this, he is lying about watching a class or sparring. We do not allow people to "Watch" classes for the reasons he posted in his opinion. If a person is going to take the time to WATCH a class they should take a class (Which is free for new students). Many people form an opinion when they watch without actually experiencing the training.
                            I have an open door policy and always have for anyone that wants to come in a workout and/or compare notes. It is the nature of our business that egos get involved and people beat on their chests and scream "My Kung Fu is Better Than Yours!" I have always said and will say again now, people need to put their money where their mouth is or shut the hell up. I have had many MMA fighters ruffle their feathers and say they will kick my ass or one of my instructors. Virtually all my e-mail with covert names like GOLDUST and when pressed mysteriously vanish. I have nothing to hide and will put my concepts and training against ANY out there.
                            GODLUST's description of the class and methods of the class proves he was not there. It is a sad state of our society when armchair warriors sit back and Blog about things they truly know nothing about. I am sure people will read this response and laugh and brush it off and that will only serve to make my point. I see that GOLDUST aka (?) lives in Scottsdale, Arizona. I invite you to come on in and talk with me about our philosophy or differences thereof. Intelligent men can disagree and remain friendly. This is directed at you because you apparently have RDT all figured out with your 12 paragraphs of review. View this invitation how ever you want, challenge or friendly discussion. Don't hide behind your computer screen. Come and take advantage of the weaknesses you say I teach or come in and logically prove them wrong through discussion. My new location is in the Scottsdale Airpark, address and phone number is on the website. I am here 6 days a week but if you are only available on Sundays I will meet you then. If you are unwilling to meet, then perhaps you should shut the hell up.

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                              #15
                              You sure he's lying? I mean the review was a year ago. Second, I've looked over your website, I didn't see anything blazingly wrong with what you're doing.

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