Homemade martial arts.

[WingChun Lawyer]

This is just asinine. You also can't become a good fighter by getting angry and throwing around a tire. If Zulu's dad DID invent his own style (which is highly doubt given the video evidence presented) it took a LOT of research and development. Just going out and getting your ass beat on a regular basis really doesn't teach you anything.

[Wolf]

I was responding to Zendeath2000 not you. Sorry for the confusion.

[WingChun Lawyer]

Oh, alright then, sorry about that.

[zendeath2000]

then explain to me how a person that doesnt know how to fight his way out of a wet paper sack can compete in amateur mma (without any prior experience from a teacher or utilization of suck-ass retarded L.I.N.E. training that they taught at the time) and have a 6-2 record. All he used was the wrestling dummy and his game.

i made the last part up as a poor attempt at humor cause judging from the movie clips all it looked like to me was a human gorilla (not to be racist) grabbing and slapping at its opponent.

[Guizzy]

He fought sucky MMA amateurs or got lucky.

It happens, you know, to just suck and still manage to get fights. And if you get two sucky people to fight in a competition, then you will invariably have a sucky fighter with a better record (unless they manage to both lose).

[Blue Flames]

scrub tactics and unprepared maneuvers work on those who have never encountered them and have no real way of dealing with them.

Professionals do not get caught by this. It all amounts to experience.

[Epicurus]

LOL at the guy who learned to fight from playing Tekken. That damn series is probably responsible for setting me back about a year in my martial arts skill, since when I first took Kickboxing I was way into Tekken and used it as inspiration. I thought that the jumping double frontkick was an awesome move, espceially if you do and SBK as soon as you touch down, like Paul does. I thought that I should learn a leg sweep, and also that I should copy Bryan Fury's Double Spinning backfist (opposit hands) to cross combo. Don't get me started on the bad habits that Dead Or Alive 3 then created, such as thinking that the leg-scissors takedown that Bayman does would be an awesome 'grappling' move, or that a low sidekick to 360 roundhouse (without setting your lead leg down) would be an awesome move to learn. I also thought it might be feasible, if you were pretty good, to knock someone INTO THE FUCKING AIR with an uppercut or rising snapkick and then maybe hit them once while they were airborne... I also thought a cool move would be to snapkick upward, then axekick down with the same leg in the same motion. Funny how that doesn't even work on a damn TKD kick slapper thingy.

Funny how none of this bullshit ever worked at all when I tried to train it in class, and I ended up looking like a retard and doing flying dropkicks on the heavy bag instead of jab-crosses half the fucking time.

Don't get me wrong, I love (or used to love) fighting games, but unless you already know how to fight, playing one will in all probablity make you a much worse fighter if you take it seriously. The moves that tend to work in fighting games will not be the ones that work in real life, and even if they are, they will probably be done with form that is grossly incorrect.

Even the UFC games had tons of dumb shit in them; for instance, it was quite easy to "reverse" someone's jab and turn it into a rolling kimura or some such bullshit, or "reverse" a leg kick into an achilles lock or whatever. Also, getting guard (from under mount) was about as hard as ripping a kleenex, and Tae kwon Do was the best style for beating the A.I., with a sidekick - hook kick- snap roundhouse - 360 hook - 360 roundhouse combo, and the first three kicks are all lead-leg without setting it down.

In short: Video Games = Bullshit that will never in a million years teach someone to fight who does not already know how to fight.

Useful moves that I saw primarily in video games: Armbar (though I didn't at the time understand why "pulling on" someone's arm was hurting them) and Spinning backfist. That's about it.

Wow, what a rant!

[Wolf]

then explain to me how a person that doesnt know how to fight his way out of a wet paper sack can compete in amateur mma (without any prior experience from a teacher or utilization of suck-ass retarded L.I.N.E. training that they taught at the time) and have a 6-2 record. All he used was the wrestling dummy and his game.

i made the last part up as a poor attempt at humor cause judging from the movie clips all it looked like to me was a human gorilla (not to be racist) grabbing and slapping at its opponent.

Ok, then I'm going to need this persons name and the events the fought in. You can spout this off all you want, but it doesn't amount to anything unless you can PROVE they fought and had no experience. I've seen enough amateur MMA, and know enough amateur MMA fighters to know that if a guy really is 6-2 he either has plenty of training or the MMA scene in his area is absolutly abysmal.

[zendeath2000]

ok you guys are taking this tekken thing to seriously. The actual fighting movements are based of real arts; can everyone agree on that. Ok now with out the chop socky retarded power moves, unrealisic way the person responds to the attack, or how easy it is to "roll around" directly into the next hold; it still had good grappling holds and basic striking combinations. He worked out twice a day 1-2 hours each session everyday. Eventually you learn something useful right?

Man i can't remember what happened last year let alone 8 years ago so i cant prove anything about his fights with like flyers, video, pictures, ssn, blood type, or dna strain. His name was Robert Kueral if its important. All i remember is going to the fights, cheering him on and then getting unconsciously drunk afterward with the rest of the guys on my vehicle crew. We were stationed in 29 palms ca. and drove to L.A. alot for them. I remember that cause we would got to the clubs/bars in hollywood after that.

[Coach Josh]

I think I am going to vomit.

Tekken as a training tool GTFO. Aside from the fact that the guy was more tha likely in superior shape then the duches he was fighting. He was also more than likely had kinestitic (sp) awareness beyond the normal range. Don't trivialize proper training with using a fantasy fight game to train you in fighting. Fuckin military turning all our guys into nintendo jockeys.

[OnceLost]

He worked out twice a day 1-2 hours each session everyday. Eventually you learn something useful right?

Depends on the training circumstances, doesn't it?

[zendeath2000]

not much differnce than from learning from a video or a book.

[WingChun Lawyer]

Never underestimate the power of stubborness and a lack of better things to do. I do know a guy who learned how to do a weird, WEIRD kick from a videogame, and he used it in Sport Jiujitsu events.

...of course, he was already an experienced fighter, but there you go. Unemployed guys with lots of energy to spend and no available pussy are probably responsible for an awful lot of discoveries*, mark my words.

* and a much greater amount of crimes, bodily harm and general stupidity, of course, but such is the price of progress.

[Wolf]

Yes, but I refuse to believe that this was a competent fighters MAJOR means of instruction as Zendeath is stating.

Video games DO NOT teach you how to flow between movements. Sure I can try to replicate a hold, but it doesn't help me figure out what to do if it doesn't work out, and what other options I have from the position.

[WingChun Lawyer]

OH, I agree. That guy was already a fighter when he decided to learn that kick, and he kept his regular training schedule - he trained that move on his own (and AGAINST the advice of his coach, who taught it was a bloody stupid idea, which it probably was, even if it worked).