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**OnceLost** · 2/26/2007 1:06pm,

Did his father create the martial art (ie, combat techniques) or just the training methology?

**Wolf** · 2/26/2007 1:22pm,

I've heard of people CLAIMING to have invented styles from scratch, but never seen one that I thought actually was. This really seems no different. It looked like bad kickboxing with a bit of Greco to me and some dancing thrown in for good measure.

**kwoww** · 2/26/2007 1:27pm,

It looks like a unique form of fighting as well, especially in the hand techniques.

edit: Y'know, it actually looks like it could be inspired by the same thing that inspired "drunken" kung-fu...

**GreenHornet** · 2/26/2007 1:39pm,

you mean stupidity?

Iv'e never heard such thing as a MA started from scratch, most people, even if they don't know what they are doing, will tell you that it's inspired from an other style to give themselves credibility.
The only other way would be to actually fight like that zulu guy, but then again who would really want to do that.

**Blue Negation** · 2/26/2007 1:49pm,

Considering Zulu is, well, ginormous, I think he could get away with monkey kung fu.

**OnceLost** · 2/26/2007 1:52pm,

He could probably get away with polka at his size.

**datdamnmachine** · 2/26/2007 4:25pm,

Originally posted by OnceLost

He could probably get away with polka at his size.

As long as his dancing partner isn't named Fedor...!

Seriously, interesting read. I do remember an article that talked about his first fight with Rickson. He said that the reason Rickson won was because Rickson had the help and support of his family behind him and Zulu only had himself with regards to training and preperation for those fights. It would make sense.

Also WCL, I take it from the way you wrote that article that many are not familiar with Zulu in Brazil and you probably figured the rest of us were not. While, as part of the great Gracie Jiu-Jitsu marketing and marketer that is Rorion Gracie, there are probably more people here in the states who know of Zulu then probably in Brazil. Of course all of that information is from their viewpoint so it's interesting to hear some information about the man that wasn't from their point of view. Great stuff. Do you have anymore?

**Fantasy Warrior** · 2/26/2007 6:06pm,

Interesting read. I don't think he can logically claim it's totally self-created but it seemed faily different from most of what's out there, like old bare knuckle western boxing might have looked in the 1780s maybe - even at the turn of last century many credible western boxers fought with long swinging punches, presumably relying on timing more than covering for defence (?arse sumption on my part). I'm not suggesting that he's copied boxing, but we can see that in the right environment that style of brawling can develop even if it breaks so many 'rules' of what's the right way to move nowadays. Oh shit, I've just given the Wing Chunners and excuse.....

His kicks lacked form but my god I wouldn't want to stand in their path.

**DdlR** · 2/26/2007 6:59pm,

Originally posted by kickcatcher

Interesting read. I don't think he can logically claim it's totally self-created but it seemed faily different from most of what's out there, like old bare knuckle western boxing might have looked in the 1780s maybe - even at the turn of last century many credible western boxers fought with long swinging punches, presumably relying on timing more than covering for defence (?arse sumption on my part). I'm not suggesting that he's copied boxing, but we can see that in the right environment that style of brawling can develop even if it breaks so many 'rules' of what's the right way to move nowadays. Oh shit, I've just given the Wing Chunners and excuse.....

His kicks lacked form but my god I wouldn't want to stand in their path.

BKB of the 1780s, possibly ... but most boxing manuals produced during the 1800s and early 1900s specifically caution would-be pugilists against long swinging punches in favor of linear punches from a high, extended guard. IMO a classical BKB fight (say 1880s) would actually look closer to modern _ing _un sparring - fairly upright posture with a slight backward lean, more deflections and blocks than evasions, mostly vertical fists, some low kicks and standing/grappling>takedowns. Differences would be that the BKB fighter would use more body shots than you typically see in _ing _un sparring, more rotation/extension through the hips and shoulder when punching, and longer "measure" or fighting distance (therefore more lunging left hand leads).

**Fantasy Warrior** · 2/26/2007 7:08pm,

On the subject of BKB, my observations are that a) it evolved over time obviously with the main influence being rules, b) similarities with Ing Un are very superficial at best and c) that the manuals tend to look completely different from the few early filmed fights where a big right hand was used a lot. I love researching that stuff and have barely scratched the surface, so I conceed your greater knowledge of WMA, but I do think that much of the modern analysis is a bit off, like people seeing things as they'd like them to be, it's like Christian archeologists (sp????)

Anyway, let's not derail this smashing thread, cos that zulu guy is the bizz

**DdlR** · 2/26/2007 7:29pm,

Take into account the difference between the European and American styles of BKB, prize-fighting vs. the scientific (amateur) styles, etc., as well ... but you're right, let's not derail the thread.

On the original topic, I met a guy in Australia about twenty years ago who had developed his own "style" from scratch. He has a medical condition that prevented him from sparring or falling (something about his skin and blood, can't remember the details) but he wanted to be able to defend himself without carrying a gun (illegal in Oz anyway). His big thing was projectiles, especially large coins and pinballs, the theory being that he could deter attackers from a distance or at least give himself a moment to start running. No idea if he ever used in in da 2tr33t, but he had impressive aim and power.

**Fantasy Warrior** · 2/26/2007 7:39pm,

lol, that's the thing, if someone was going to create their own style for R34L fighting, it'd look nothing like any of this, it'd be hard to improve upon the suckerpunch with beer glass in hand combo. Now I'm begining to sound like an RBSDer, sorry.

**Sushi-Boy** · 2/26/2007 7:43pm,

Does Kateda / Nearu / Keinja / Kixa / Sindo count?

Not only "homemade" but Bullshido of the highest order!

**WingChun Lawyer** · 2/27/2007 7:27am,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RZtRfylWqA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twbmb_i5YNk

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