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    Stars and Stripes Article on USMC Martial Arts

    "I had once talked to Billy Conn, the boxer, about professionals versus amateurs - specifically street fighters. One had always heard rumors of champions being taken out by back-alley fighters. Conn was scornful. "Aw, it's like hitting a girl," he said. "They're nothing."


    - George Plimpton
    "Shadow Box"

    #2
    I am ex-Army, but I have to admit the Marine's train very hard. Hey, Vargas have you checked out any of Hackworths articles "supposdely" from Marines complaining about Army units not taking things seriously? I know Hackworth has to be taken with a grain of salt, but they seemed to be some good articles.

    www.hackworth.com

    Edited by - justme on July 30 2003 13:11:39

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      #3
      I can almost guarantee they don't stress the importance of breathing.

      You've gotta remember that even though these guys are Marines, most of them are also 18 years old and fresh out of high school with little or no martial arts training. The part about vomiting only comes up when you aren't breathing correctly.

      The Marine Corps is using a program that is external only, and doesn't use any of the other training tools that people who have done martial arts their whole lives have figured out, like breathing exercises, intense stretching, balance drills, etc. The Marines use a mostly "move based" system which is probably lacking in training of correct breathing during combat.

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        #4
        Hey Justme, thanks for the input. Yeah, I actually met Hackworth once and I've read a lot of his stuff. He strikes me as a pretty nice guy, but he would have been better off if he had just stayed a first sergeant or company commander. He doesn't have the political skills that being an army colonel demands and he pretty much admits that in his books.

        Some of his criticisms are on-target, but a lot of his articles could use a lot more fact-checking before they went to print. Kind of a 'ready, fire, aim' kind of writer, know what I mean?

        I've heard some not-so-flattering things about the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program, but I will reserve final judgement until I've actually sparred with MCMAP-trained fighter.

        "Go cry about it Vargas. Aren't you late for your shift at McDonald's?"
        "I had once talked to Billy Conn, the boxer, about professionals versus amateurs - specifically street fighters. One had always heard rumors of champions being taken out by back-alley fighters. Conn was scornful. "Aw, it's like hitting a girl," he said. "They're nothing."


        - George Plimpton
        "Shadow Box"

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          #5
          The Marine Corps is using a program that is external only, and doesn't use any of the other training tools that people who have done martial arts their whole lives have figured out, like breathing exercises, intense stretching, balance drills, etc. The Marines use a mostly "move based" system which is probably lacking in training of correct breathing during combat.
          So what? So what if they don't stretch into splits or breathe in properly mediated sequences, they yell and kick your ass. I'll take a marine trained this way for 6 weeks over a college student trained in 6 years of Tai Chi any day of the week.

          As for balance training, you obviously have never seen a military obstacle course, have you?

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            #6
            lol they definitely seem to train you hard. I wonder what the hand to hand combat was like?

            "wrestling, punching and kicking" Oh really WRESTLING? If they fought each other it would have looked a lot like....oh I dunno... MIXED MARTIAL ARTS?

            "If you don't know how to Grapple/Wrestle you don't know how to fight, that's the prerequisite to fighting" - David Tank Abbott.
            "Training = pain." - I said that.

            PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.

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              #7
              What do others think about the military's L.I.N.E. traing program. Its suppose to give you quick fighting abilties similar to the Marines hand to hand combat training. Its also suppose to make be able to fight effectively in a stressful situation despite the adrenaline rush. My cousin was telling about it.




              "Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law"
              Anton LaVey made me say it!
              Ghost of Charles Dickens

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