Goshin JuJitsu?

[KFighter]

Hey everyone.

I was on wikipedia when I found out about a Jujitsu style called Goshin JuJitsu. I read the article and thought hey this is pretty damn good art. Groundfighting (submissions, chokes, throws) and striking. I talked to a friend about them, and he told me that they're bullshido. He said even though they are trying to put on that they can successfully fight in MMA, that it's all an act. He said they have alot of kata, crappy knife defense stuff, and throw chambered hip punches.

Here's the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goshin_Jujitsu

Anyone know more about them? Are they bullshido?

[Gumby]

Almost all styles of ju jitsu that I know of incorporate some sort of groundfighting- that doesnt mean that they're good at it or that they even have the slightest idea of what they're doing.

Besides, you cant really believe ALL the articles written on wiki- most of it comes from a bias source that'll give you a bunch of shit- Kung Fu is "good", Hitler was "bad"

[Shuma-Gorath]

Their site links to Marc MacYoung articles and that wiki article is basically ad copy. Need I go on?

[GoldenJonas]

Goshinjitsu essentially means "Self Defense Techniques". Now, goshin jujitsu?...the separation of "goshin" and the addition of "ju" would make it mean...what? The Way of Self Defense? Some of the more Japanese proficient around here would be know more about the meaning but...

if it has to do with self defense it is more than likely and more traditional JJJ type style. You may get a particular school that inserts elements of Judo or BJJ into it, but essentially you'll probably be doing a lot of static drills, i.e.,

"A" attacks "B" with lunging knife attack

"B" parries knife attack to outside and slides in for ogoshi

"B" throws "A" with ogoshi and turns "A" onto his stomach using wrist manipulation and putting pressure on the straightened arm by dragging his/her knee

"B" then disarms "A" and there is much rejoicing....

bullshido? who knows. Go check out a class and get back to us with a report.

[Gezere]

I've come across alot of schools that said they were GOSHIN JJ schools (or GOSHIN RYU JJ) but not all have been affliated with each other. GOSHIN literally means PROTECT (GO) the BODY(SHIN) aka Self Defense and so many pple use this term for their quasi Japanese Uber SD art.

They all were your typical Gendai NON Japanese JJ school, basicly rehashed Judo with Aikido and Karate thrown in. Now that BJJ is the thing they will inmitate BJJ.

I don't know how good they are in MMA but many are your typical "street defense" type schools that may have a few good things in H2H but quickly hit asinine when it comes to weapons defense.

[KFighter]

Well here's the place in Illinois where I was talking about.

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ro/www/GoshinJitsu/index.html

They are seen with championship belts, and also wearing trunks in some of the pictures of their site. So I'm guessing they do compete.

[Gezere]

He's a McVicker's Purple belt so it looks good. This school looks different form others that use the GOSHIN term.

[Matt Bernius]

Goshen Jitsu tends to arise out of my area (Western NY and Northern Pennsylvania). It's typically tied back to Jerry Durant, who was a very controversial figure to say the least (see ebudo for more on that one). The related schools can be of varying levels of quality.

A couple members are in my "extended" martial family. One of them I consider to be a solid student of the arts and a great guy. The other ones are out and out ass kickers who have put their money where thier mouth is and competed in various MMA amateur events -- one also bounced David Moore like a basketball at an open sparring event. So I'm prepared to vouch for those programs.

- Matt

[TKD Black Belt]

The last Goshin Ryu Jiu Jitsu school I was at made a big deal about how they spelt 'Jiu Jitsu' with two I's instead of one. This spelling somehow signified a higher level of awesomeness that I should have been able to glean from the spelling alone. They further went on to explain that due to their 'highly evolved and dangerous skills on the ground' ground fighting was not taught until Blue and Purple belt at the earliest.

This basically meant that up until Blue belt you where Martial Larping your way through what you might think was a Jiu Jitsu class but that was in fact a bad hybrid of Aikido and Kroty.

TKD

[Res Judicata]

The last Goshin Ryu Jiu Jitsu school I was at made a big deal about how they spelt 'Jiu Jitsu' with two I's instead of one. This spelling somehow signified a higher level of awesomeness that I should have been able to glean from the spelling alone. * * *
TKD

That's particularly retarded because there are exactly zero "u"s when you transliterate it properly. (I know the BJJ folks spell it the way they do out of tradition).

[TKD Black Belt]

That's particularly retarded because there are exactly zero "u"s when you transliterate it properly. (I know the BJJ folks spell it the way they do out of tradition).

Well yeah, that and its a freaking Japanese word translated into english for crying out loud! Helio could have added three y's and a few numbers and it would still be the same thing that the Goshin Ryu guys don't teach!

TKD

[Kickbox]

Goshindo

Most sensei using the go shin terminology are jujitsu types or karate/jutsu hybrids. Basically you could have a MMA, use Japanese terminology and a junior/senior rank structure and legitimately refer to your style as goshindo or goshinjutsu ( meaning way of self defense/self protection.
KB

[Gezere]

That's particularly retarded because there are exactly zero "u"s when you transliterate it properly. (I know the BJJ folks spell it the way they do out of tradition).

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Even in transliteration you still will have two "U" s. It would be JEEYU JITSU or JIYU JIYUTSU.

[lovegod]

I have a friend who still may teach Goshin, he is from Penn. area and studied directly underMaster Durant. He know lives in Texas and has lives in Texas for many years. What little I know about Master Durant is that he was a questionable/ ecentric figure. As far as my friend, all I can say is he is solid and it does appear to be more Tachiwaza (stand-up) and a bit of ground work. There is a strong Karate influence with pretty solid self defense. The Kanji for Goshin does not brea down as stated earlier bLordAsia. I think we are discussing homonyms. Go meaning soft and shin meaning mind. The different Kanji that is used, is poly slyabillic and is Goshin, meaning protector. This is one of the differences in the Chinese spokenandthe Japanese spoken, Chinese is mono slylabillic,whereas Japanese tends to be polyslylabillic.

As far as my friend, he has since begun to study Kenjutsu under some Sensei who is a retired Border Patrol agent. I have seen his basics and they seem solid aswell. I digress...

Use what you find of this information as useful and the rest, you can flame me as usual to no obvious effect.


Sincerely,

LG

[Gezere]

The Kanji for Goshin does not brea down as stated earlier bLordAsia. I think we are discussing homonyms. Go meaning soft and shin meaning mind.

You sure about that?

What kanji are they using for GO because I can't think of one with a reading of GO that means SOFT. GO as used in GOJU RYU Karate means HARD but that a totally differnt kanji.

The different Kanji that is used, is poly slyabillic and is Goshin, meaning protector.

Protector in japanese is SHUGOSHA and the GO used is the same as I stated before that means to protect not SOFT. Can you post the kanji that is used?