Boxing Within Chinese Martial Arts

[Killing Moon]

This is mainly a research essay that I've been pondering through. Feel free to give any feedback, guys/gals:

[SuperGuido]

What style of CMA do you teach again?

The only reason I ask is because I'm curious as to how your training progresses in regards to the various "Power Generation" methods famous to specific styles of CMA versus Boxing.

One of the main reasons I quite CLF after six months is that years of traditional Karate had ingrained a certain type of "Grounded Power" generation that thoroughly destroyed my ability to comprehend CLF's "Floating Power".

i.e. Landing a punch without having both feet on the ground, waist rotation versus hip/leg rotation, etc...

How are you able to adapt a very "Conceptual" CMA power format to a more "Intuitive" boxing power format?

[Killing Moon]

What style of CMA do you teach again?

The only reason I ask is because I'm curious as to how your training progresses in regards to the various "Power Generation" methods famous to specific styles of CMA versus Boxing.

One of the main reasons I quite CLF after six months is that years of traditional Karate had ingrained a certain type of "Grounded Power" generation that thoroughly destroyed my ability to comprehend CLF's "Floating Power".

i.e. Landing a punch without having both feet on the ground, waist rotation versus hip/leg rotation, etc...

How are you able to adapt a very "Conceptual" CMA power format to a more "Intuitive" boxing power format?

Well most of my basics come from a Southern background.
From my old school, the power generation is very similar to boxing. Where as, power comes from the torque of your feet, knees, waist, shoulders and outward to the extremity in unison. In Chinese martial arts, this method is also described as Chan Si Jin.

It's really not much different from the other methods within my old Fist. I've just adapted it naturally, I guess. Along with the footwork that I've trained in (from Monkey, BaGua and some Tam Tui).

Right now, I'm not legitimately TEACHING anyone at this time. I was for awhile, but now I'm going through another period of evolution. So it probably wouldn't be wise if I took then along this confusing ride, lol.

[SuperGuido]

Which Southern style?

A friend and training partner studies Lung Ying combined with BJJ...when I have some free time, I go get beat up by his crew.

According to him, the power generation in Lung Ying is "waist" derived...often the feet/hips don't have to move at all, though approaching movement is almost always used.

Interesting. I'll be paying attention to this thread.

[CanucKyokushin]

This is mainly a research essay that I've been pondering through. Feel free to give any feedback, guys/gals:

So let me get this straight.Are you saying you are learning Boxing through Kung-fu?

[SuperGuido]

Naa...I think he's trying to get the good from Boxing and add it to his Kung Fu base.

All your base are belong to us.

[mrblackmagic]

That clears it up a lot. KM, you have to look at how boxing "was" to see how it overlaps with CMA.

[Happycrow]

This is the kind of thing we could discuss in Strikeistan all day long if it hadn't turned into Shoppingstan instead... :eusa_doh:

KillingMoon, the fundamental difference that I see is that although boxing is also waist/shoulder-derived, it's *down* from the shoulders, not *up* from the feet. Even when not much rooted there's a difference, most visible in hooks and uppercuts. But I think that depending on your style's upper body defenses, you should be able to make use of them. I would look at how older boxers "played long" rather than keeping both fists in close. That's probably closer to what you need for CMA footwork.

[chaosexmachina]

Naa...I think he's trying to get the good from Boxing and add it to his Kung Fu base.

All your base are belong to us.

All your base? Did you hop out of a time warp from 4 years ago?

[SuperGuido]

Six years ago...but I'm a progressive kind of guy, you know?

[chaosexmachina]

You can time travel!? We must prevent Scientology!!

[ShadowLeopard]

o.. ok that's impressive too.

[Tom Kagan]

For instance, every martial art has a jab, cross, uppercut, hook, etc.

Boxing didn't really have a jab before Daniel Mendoza. However, if you want to stick with Queenbury rules, you could say boxing didn't have much of what we consider boxing before James Corbett.


Anyway, interesting thoughts. I've always felt that while differences in methodology abound, the end result almost by definition must be similar amongst the methodology. If it there is no similarity in the result, that is, IMO, a huge red-flag hanging over the methodology.

[MartialArtN00b]

Boxing is easily added to jujitsu or judo too.
So the same goes for kungfu.

Ive said it to you before killiing moon (and heres a simplistic table of comparison):

Kungfu/ Jujitsu
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
stance training == Working on your base
Single technique in form == Single drill (like triangle choke drill)
segmented forms with partner == Flow drills

According to the definition of internal/external of lu shengli.

external= planning your move ahead. exemple, executing several fakes before the armbar
internal = sensing the best technique at the time. exemple, knowing which guard pass to do at the moment.

Boxing shouldnt even be needed to improve your kungfu, they're like seperate entities.

Add boxing if you feel like it, though. It wont hurt, that for sure.

edit: mispelled author's name

[PirateJon]

Boxing shouldnt even be needed to improve your kungfu, they're like seperate entities.

Yeah, boxing is about hitting people and kung-fu is about pretending you're an animal and shooting fireballs. Completely different. :XXhesitan