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    #31
    Originally posted by Poop Loops
    Fixed.

    Their demo consisted entirely of flash. No substance. No sparring, which is the most important thing. Does boxing look pretty? Wrestling? No, but they work.

    There is nothing to prove in using a live blade in a grappling art. You don't have to bake a cake to get your English degree, why should you play around with a sword for a grappling belt?

    Not to mention THERE WAS NO SPARRING YOU FUCKING SHIT HEAD!! If they want to be hardcore, why don't they spar? All I saw was flash, followed by "look, I can dodge a sword!"

    Awesome.
    Who said that sparring was a requirement in a demo video?

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      #32
      Poop Loops, you can come give me your big cock anyday.... if you want to choke on mine first.

      here is another one of their vids showing some of their other training. I'm not defending what they do, just saying your awful fucking whiney when they don't seem to be making any false claims.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PJJXq0KDtk

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        #33
        Originally posted by theardri
        WTF? As a scientist (Chemist admitedly...) when I see something labled Quantum, I think of (a) Star Trek bullshite fantasy science or (b) boy someone really is trying to sucker some one in.

        Then again quantum MA basically would be the belt systems. You can't be a green belt AND a black belt (in the same style) thus they are quantised...
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          #34
          Yeah, she definatly hasn't had a good meal in a while. Only a starved lunatic would come up with such things.



          Originally posted by KempoFist
          Who said that sparring was a requirement in a demo video?
          If you're advertising that you're teaching people how to fight, you should show those consumers your product, yes? If I see a guy advertising his knives (martial art), but he uses a different knife to demonstrate how things are cut (he uses compliant partners to demonstrate what it should look like), I get pissed and start throwing things (like with my arms, yo).

          Originally posted by ItOnlyHurtsOnce
          Poop Loops, you can come give me your big cock anyday.... if you want to choke on mine first.
          My cock's bigger than yours, so shut up.

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            #35
            Hahaha, great video. It takes about 1.5 seconds to setup every throw he makes, what a great martial arts demonstration.

            What kind of retard doesn't move for that amount of time if someone is holding your arm?

            Seriously, that was really, really dumb!

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              #36
              That was very Tekken. It would make great crowd pleasers if you could train them to work.

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                #37
                Well if they followed tht we do not need to worry about them anymore ;)

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by bodhistate
                  Wait a minute. Finally, an example of someone NOT fucking around using a plastic sword, and you give him shit? Dangerous, yeah, but DUH. It's SUPPOSED to be risky! For fuck's sake.
                  People that are fucking around with a plastic sword are fucking around not because they use a plastic sword, but because they are basically fucking around.

                  What exactly did this real sword shit proved? Nothing other than a lack of brains. The same test could have been done with a wooden or plastic sword IMO because the test was about the student's reflexes and ability to avoid the sword attack.

                  And unless there is some magnetic field between the metal in the sword and the metals that make up a good part of our internal plumbing (you know, blood and tissue and shit like that), I don't see how the testing of this man's skills and the man's skills themselves are dependent to the material of the sword being used.

                  Shivers went down my spine watching that absofuckinglutely amazing demonstration of dangerous mental retardation.

                  If there is a reason why you don't give knives to little children, intoxicated folks and retards, that clip is.

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                    #39
                    BTW, the tai-otoshi-like throw transitioning into armbar around 0:56 looks sweet. The vidclip is badass, but it really conveys the wrong message. Nobody sticks his arms and becomes a paralized, lifeless, botox-injected, retard zombie while the attacker goes ape performing an acrobatic maneouver.

                    A lot of that stuff in the clip should be possible to be done against a resisting opponent. And that's the only thing missing in this clusterfuck.

                    What Poops said on the blade and the lack of sparring, too.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by bodhistate
                      As for the insurance policy point, most policies include coverage for loss of limb/life. If he's got insurance, and the person signed a waiver, he has a case to defend himself in course should he be sued, and the insurance company will pay out. That's what it's for.
                      That's the most ridiculous, stupidest shit I've ever heard.

                      My instructor made me sign a waiver, but I'm pretty sure he will never put me or the other students under unnecessary harm. There is harm inherent in MA training, and that's accepted. But there is a difference between acceptable risk and recklessness.

                      Also, consider the following: that student has medical insurance. Fine, I'm pretty sure he would get covered if the blade were to had hit him on his shoulder or arm. But think about it. A cut like that, with that type of weapon, with that type of force, cutting in that area would produce massive blood loss, massive enough to become letal in a manner of minutes. Is that type of risk acceptable for testing whether he can dodge such an attack?

                      I'd rather get wacked or, worse, have my clavicle broken with a wooden/plastic sword or a rattan stick than to get sliced with a sword. If I can move fast enough to avoid a stick, I can also dodge the sword.

                      And let's assume in case of an accident the student doesn't bleed to death like a pig in a manner of minutes. What about permanent tissue and nerve damage? What the fuck is having health insurance good if you become crippled permanently?

                      Or maybe I'm wrong. I have an electric handsaw at home. I'm going to test my agility by putting the handsaw on my balls. And just at the moment of contact I'm going to pull my balls in and lift my dick.

                      If I fail, who cares, I have medical insurance!!!! I'm the king of retards!!! Bow to me, you bitches!!!! :icon_salu

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by ItOnlyHurtsOnce
                        Poop Loops, you can come give me your big cock anyday.... if you want to choke on mine first.

                        here is another one of their vids showing some of their other training. I'm not defending what they do, just saying your awful fucking whiney when they don't seem to be making any false claims.

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PJJXq0KDtk

                        That second video does not look so bad to me. The above clip shows grappling, striking, and mma type sparring. Besides the instuctors demonstrations, the only cartwheel shown in the video was as a guard pass, which you see in BJJ pretty often.

                        There does appear to be some traditional style stuff mixed in- the bowing, some preplanned self defense techniques- but not to the exlcusion of logical training methods- they even seemed to be hitting a heavy bag.

                        Have you ever had someone ask to be shown what BJJ is like? As a fun demo, not as a challange? That shit is difficult- come here, now sit down, now I'll wrap my legs around you, and here is my crotch.

                        I just hip throw people now, because it is fun to be spun around. I think the crazy acrobatic crap is a pretty good way to lure people to come train at what looks like a school that spars in all ranges.

                        As for complaints about hurt students- who did the complaining? People not used to getting banged around, or are we talking true, unnecessary injuries? People get hurt in Judo all the damn time, and that looked like judo to me in a lot of places.

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                          #42
                          That video clip is awesome.

                          It's not fighting, but it's awesome.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by mrblackmagic
                            That was very Tekken. It would make great crowd pleasers if you could train them to work.
                            I honestly don't think any of them could be made to work. Every technique shown in the demo was absolutely dependent on the partner's pause after contact. It reminded me of every fight scene involving Wesley Snipes in that respect. In particular, I'd say the throw into armbar shown at 0:21 is as likely to work in an alive scenario as I am to beat Asia.

                            Beyond the timing aspect, the throw from what I would call an armlock (perhaps a "flying armlock") at 0:45 plainly illustrates the emphasis on flashy movement. There was no practical reason for Corbell to throw himself into a breakfall as part of throwing his partner. In fact, it's quite possbile that his performing the throw in that fashion would make the throw itself less effective (changing his leverage on the arm). Further study of this technique shows that Corbell's application of the throw doesn't matter because his training partner flipped himself, this can be clearly seen at 0:47~0:48. This explains why the throw "worked" despite the fact that Corbell was already airborne when he obtained the proper leverage on his partner's arm. They were actually both airborne at that point, which I would accept if his partner was attempting some kind of escape.

                            I will admit, as I feel obligated to whenever I critique someone's performance, that I have essentially never trained. However, I have seen this type of throw (the latter of my two examples) properly executed many times and, much more importantly, am intimately knowledgeable with regard to body mechanics due to my decades of physical therapy. I also am interested in their competition record, though it won't affect my opinion of them. They will never get my respect because they posted this garbage, fuck 'em.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Robstafarian
                              I honestly don't think any of them could be made to work. Every technique shown in the demo was absolutely dependent on the partner's pause after contact. It reminded me of every fight scene involving Wesley Snipes in that respect. In particular, I'd say the throw into armbar shown at 0:21 is as likely to work in an alive scenario as I am to beat Asia.

                              Beyond the timing aspect, the throw from what I would call an armlock (perhaps a "flying armlock") at 0:45 plainly illustrates the emphasis on flashy movement. There was no practical reason for Corbell to throw himself into a breakfall as part of throwing his partner. In fact, it's quite possbile that his performing the throw in that fashion would make the throw itself less effective (changing his leverage on the arm). Further study of this technique shows that Corbell's application of the throw doesn't matter because his training partner flipped himself, this can be clearly seen at 0:47~0:48. This explains why the throw "worked" despite the fact that Corbell was already airborne when he obtained the proper leverage on his partner's arm. They were actually both airborne at that point, which I would accept if his partner was attempting some kind of escape.

                              I will admit, as I feel obligated to whenever I critique someone's performance, that I have essentially never trained. However, I have seen this type of throw (the latter of my two examples) properly executed many times and, much more importantly, am intimately knowledgeable with regard to body mechanics due to my decades of physical therapy. I also am interested in their competition record, though it won't affect my opinion of them. They will never get my respect because they posted this garbage, fuck 'em.
                              Ya know it's funny, because the line I've heard to defend techniques that when demonstrated involve the person being attacked to literally throw themselves with it is, "well they only threw themselves with the technique because they were preventing their arm from being broken....had he not jumped like that (and conveniently made it look really flashy) then he would be seriously injured."

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                                #45
                                Even the regular double leg or hip throw isn't enough for him. He needs to twirl the guy around. I swear, he should just pick up swing dancing.
                                Last edited by Poop Loops; 8/04/2006 1:11pm, .

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