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    #16
    Originally posted by SchwrzSnn
    It's probably an iaito. Why would you need to learn to defend yourself against a sword, anyway?
    hmm I don't know in my CQb phase one test we disarmed a real(sharp) knife, I've never seen anyone cut. Then again we did not use a sharp knife for held knife disarms/escapes (more if some one was twitchy it would be a bit messy),

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      #17
      Originally posted by bodhistate
      Wait a minute. Finally, an example of someone NOT fucking around using a plastic sword, and you give him shit? Dangerous, yeah, but DUH. It's SUPPOSED to be risky! For fuck's sake.
      bitch ... you can never win on bullshido .


      But more to the point ... if your gonna run a Mcdojo there are some basic rules you must follow . One being of course , safety for your students .

      I think I read someone ( pretty sure it is in one of the quantum JJ threads below hell it may have been on MAP but I am not gonna through their shit to find it ) saying this dude is very rough on his students and injuries are very common . I don't know if that means they train with heavy all out resistance or if it means that Jeremy has little reguard to students safety .

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        #18
        It's quantum jiu jitsu because they do a lot of flipping around. I'll be taking quantum physics sometime next year and I expect to do all my problem solving and labs either in mid-air or upside down. I hear that the final exam is actually taken in free fall from a plane. That's what makes it quantum.

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          #19
          Originally posted by bodhistate
          Wait a minute. Finally, an example of someone NOT fucking around using a plastic sword, and you give him shit? Dangerous, yeah, but DUH. It's SUPPOSED to be risky! For fuck's sake.
          It's called safety. Hell, the one testing couldn't have accidently farted and because of that, not moved away fast enough and caught a whole lot of sword in the backside. Yeah, I know, it sounds stupid but accidents happen and you don't want to be using real weapons when they do. That's the point of TRAINING weapons, they are used so you can train with them without killing yourself and others.

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            #20
            theardri ,

            I can see that , if the disarms are off a scripted attack and the attacker is honor bound not to TRY and cut the shit out of you .



            Originally posted by datdamnmachine
            It's called safety. Hell, the one testing couldn't have accidently farted and because of that, not moved away fast enough and caught a whole lot of sword in the backside. Yeah, I know, it sounds stupid but accidents happen and you don't want to be using real weapons when they do. That's the point of TRAINING weapons, they are used so you can train with them without killing yourself and others.
            I don't have problem with metal training weapons . Especialy for black belt level testing . I only have an issue if it was a live blade ... and if their insurance company didn't know about .

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              #21
              Originally posted by BackFistMonkey
              theardri ,

              I can see that , if the disarms are off a scripted attack and the attacker is honor bound not to TRY and cut the shit out of you .





              I don't have problem with metal training weapons . Especialy for black belt level testing . I only have an issue if it was a live blade ... and if their insurance company didn't know about .

              Ok a couple of things

              New Zealand (where I hail from and was trained) has socialized health care that actually works. Almost none of us are insured in NZ, and when we are it would be for MAJOR surgery, not a few stiches. Plus in my re-enactment days (ok so I like sowrds) I got hurt more (several scars) from a "blunt" sword (and some faulty armour) than here. Worst injury in CQB is some idiot Karate black belt visiting snapping a kick on a knee when he was supposed to be padding me down to learn a technique. That resulted in a hyper extended knee (it should have broken but I just went with it)

              Our "scipted attacks" were all with the rubber training weapon to get an idea of the mechanics. However we phase tested (graded in any other language) with a real knife. Not razor sharp but a edged knife. In 5 years I have not seen (or heard of) anyone getting cut or hurt.

              Yes it could go wrong, but it is well controlled and we don't phase test till WE feel ready. As for vs a sword ... how often is someone gonna come at you with one in real life (ok besides me if you break into my house, it's either a sword or a nerf gun,and nerf guns are oh so deadly ;) )

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                #22
                Originally posted by datdamnmachine
                It's called safety. Hell, the one testing couldn't have accidently farted and because of that, not moved away fast enough and caught a whole lot of sword in the backside. Yeah, I know, it sounds stupid but accidents happen and you don't want to be using real weapons when they do. That's the point of TRAINING weapons, they are used so you can train with them without killing yourself and others.
                But this isn't training, specifically, this was a test to see he if was ready to get a BB. If there is no risk of injury, then WTF is he doing? Playing MA?

                People can be crippled/killed using all sorts of blunt objects (every seen someone get cracked in the face with nunchucks? Or hit themselves in the back of the head with a staff? Or break their hand/wrist breaking boards?). Yeah, for sure a live blade can cause significant damage, but if your argument is going to be "it's dangerous and he could've gotten seriously hurt" ALL weapons should be banned in MA schools. They all *might* cause serious damage.

                Besides, for all we know the person doing the strikes has enough training to stop if the person doesn't move, or to keep from doing serious damage. Unless someone here contacts them and finds out what the deal was (was the blade sharp? what happens if the person doesn't move?), you can't argue that it is any more dangerous than using a shinai.

                As for the insurance policy point, most policies include coverage for loss of limb/life. If he's got insurance, and the person signed a waiver, he has a case to defend himself in course should he be sued, and the insurance company will pay out. That's what it's for.

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                  #23
                  As much as you can tell from a picture, but those black belts looked built to grapple.
                  anybody know about tournement records ?:waijima

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by bodhistate
                    But this isn't training, specifically, this was a test to see he if was ready to get a BB. If there is no risk of injury, then WTF is he doing? Playing MA?
                    Yes. Even with the live blade, he was playing MA. Out of all of his training and testing, the ability to dodge a sword was deemed the most "extreme" thing he did?

                    "Don't come any closer, or I'll dodge this sword!!!"

                    People can be crippled/killed using all sorts of blunt objects (every seen someone get cracked in the face with nunchucks?
                    Hahahahaah

                    Or hit themselves in the back of the head with a staff?
                    Wha? My hands don't go that far... how?

                    Or break their hand/wrist breaking boards?).
                    That's what you get for trying to beat up a piece of wood or concrete. Not my fault you're a moron.

                    Yeah, for sure a live blade can cause significant damage, but if your argument is going to be "it's dangerous and he could've gotten seriously hurt" ALL weapons should be banned in MA schools. They all *might* cause serious damage.
                    Are you fucking stupid? Don't answer that, I already know the answer is "yes".

                    They could have used a bokken or Iaito. Dull. They will hurt like a motherfucker, but they won't cut your stomach open. You need to compare risk vs reward here.

                    What's the risk of getting sliced with a katana? Fairly big, and for a LOT of damage. Reward for dodging it? Looking cool? Please.

                    Furthermore, you can't cut somone in half with a staff, spear (you can even make it dull), or any other fancy weapon. There is no reason to use a sharp weapon in the gym unless you actually plan on cutting something.

                    Besides, for all we know the person doing the strikes has enough training to stop if the person doesn't move, or to keep from doing serious damage.
                    Don't be stupid. First he completely commits to the attack, and a split second before it he just stops? Furthermore, if the student knew that, what would be the point of using a live blade? "Oh shit, it's sharp. But it's ok, Sensei can stop it."

                    Unless someone here contacts them and finds out what the deal was (was the blade sharp? what happens if the person doesn't move?), you can't argue that it is any more dangerous than using a shinai.
                    Again, you're a dumbass. If it wasn't sharp, what would be the point of putting that online vs. sparring?

                    As for the insurance policy point, most policies include coverage for loss of limb/life. If he's got insurance, and the person signed a waiver, he has a case to defend himself in course should he be sued, and the insurance company will pay out. That's what it's for.
                    It's really that easy, eh? They can't just oh I don't know... look at the video and say "what kind of moron tries to dodge a live blade on purpose like that? Why not use a dull blade?"

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                      #25
                      I don't care what you all say, that video contained some sick shiznit. Grappling XMA ftw!

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                        #26
                        Carlos Sr. died for your anti-grappling sins and this is how you repay him!?

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                          #27
                          I liked the vid, it was exciting and had a lot of aerial techniques that led to ground submissions....against a compliant opponent!!

                          The most important question has still not been answered. Has anyone ever rolled against these guys or knows anything about their tournament records?

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                            #28
                            BBBAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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                              #29
                              Okay so their demo is flashy and honestly looks badass. The simple fact is most Jujitsu is boring to the normal person until they get into it and are doing it themselves. I can't believe you pansies are bitching cuz he is using a live bladed sword. These are prolly some of the same people that bitch about kids flailing around foam plastic ninja turtle nunchaku and calling it a martial art.

                              If these guys wanna dodge real swords, more power to them. It has to focus your attention when you know it is gonna hurt like hell if it cuts you. No, you won't find me doing silly shit like this but I don't see why you flame if they agree to do so.

                              Its really hard to judge a school from a demo video. I read a little bit of the site, I didn't see him claiming to be able to teach you to defend yourself in 6 weeks or promising black belts in a certain amount of time. Absolute worse things worst its XMA with some contact.

                              I dont' see what the big fuss is about and I thought the demo clip looked cool. You have to give him cool points even if it is unrealistic.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by ItOnlyHurtsOnce
                                Okay so I'm a fucking moron. Getting raped in the ass only hurt once, because his dick was too small. Now I love it because I get huge cocks all the time.
                                Fixed.

                                Their demo consisted entirely of flash. No substance. No sparring, which is the most important thing. Does boxing look pretty? Wrestling? No, but they work.

                                There is nothing to prove in using a live blade in a grappling art. You don't have to bake a cake to get your English degree, why should you play around with a sword for a grappling belt?

                                Not to mention THERE WAS NO SPARRING YOU FUCKING SHIT HEAD!! If they want to be hardcore, why don't they spar? All I saw was flash, followed by "look, I can dodge a sword!"

                                Awesome.

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