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    Psuedo-Challenge at my Dojo

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    #2
    My instructor told him to to whatever he wanted. The other guy was the one that said he wouldn't go full force "out of respect".

    He ended up leaving because his ego wouldn't be able to take it if a "inferior" style like Wing Chun could defeat his grappling. He didn't want to find out for sure. I mean if you are defeated by and inferior art, it must mean you have vastly inferior skill.

    Not to mention the fact that he came in and lied about wanting to take Wing Chun. He never had any intention of training in the art.

    And like I said, if they were really fighting, my instructor wouldn't use Wing Chun.

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      #3
      You can not defeat takedowns without training takedown defense. This "defeating takedowns with strikes" idea has been disproved many times over in MMA.

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        #4
        Well, maybe this particular guy's takedowns were particularly sloppy.

        All in all, I don't think there was a challenege issued here. It seems to me that the guy came to the dojo with the intent to prove his point, but for some reasone stopped just short of issuing a challenge, which would have been the logical next step. Chances are, this was because he realized that he may very well get his ass handed to him by a "wing chun guy", and would have to deal with the embarassement.

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          #5
          Exactly.

          That is why I called it a "pseudochallenge". The guy really didn't want to go there in the first place. He wanted to walk in, show someone up, and tell his buddies about it. As soon as it looked like that might not happen he backed down.

          Now I'll be honest if it got to the point where the guy wanted to have a JJ versus WC full contact grudge match, my instructor would turn him down, if only because it would be inconstistent with his training style and fighting phliosphy to restrict himself to just Wing Chun. But the guy didn't say "I'm a better fighter than you, we will now fight", he asked what Wing Chun has to combat grappling and my instructor tried to show him.

          And yes Truewrestler (welcome aboard by the way), you are totally right, if you are talking about a equal levels of skill strikes generally will not be able to handle grappling. What my instructor did wasn't the best thing to do, but it was good enough to stop this guy. Especially the second time when the guy knew EXACTLY what my instructor was going to do and had every chance to do something to counter it. If his grappling was better he could have just as easily taken my instructor down and shown him up.

          And if that happened, it would only prove what my school already teaches, that although it can be a beautiful form of art with some decent fighitng applications, Wing Chun isn't good at everything. This guy's problem was he relied on the mantra of his training, not his own skill to get him by.

          Just like people who think spin kicks are too stupid to use in a fight often get hit by them. They don't train against them and if someone actually throws one on them they end up freezing. They get hit simply because of the fact they convinced themselves no decent fighter would ever throw one and don't know how to react if one does. Then they have to deal with the fact that a "stupid and ineffecitve" move just knocked them out.

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            #6
            Spin kicks are an extreme example, but I have seen it happen, especially in professional kickboxing like K-1.

            But that is just an extreme example. A lot of arts think that it is ineffective to kick above the waist and refrain from doing so. They unintentionally program themselves to assume that everyone else fights the same way.

            I've seen a lot of American Kenpo guys get kicked right in the face, because they believed that kicks to the head took too long and were too easily defended against to be effective.

            Typically when there opponent threw the kick they automatically responded with a downward block even though the foot was headed at their head.



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              #7
              I was screwing around and threw one at Doch yesterday. It was pretty funny.

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              Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the fuck I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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                #8
                Wastrel,

                What happened? Was he shocked and get hit, did he automatically take you out, or did he just freeze not knowing what to do even though you missed?

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                  #9
                  He said he was going around to my back. But he was standing still when I saw him...heheh. We were just throwing strikes to set up for takedowns, not really trying to make contact at all. I think I could hit a lot of people with the kick I'm talking about, when I want to. Problem is that they need to be absofuckinglutely decisive if they're going to work. A little shift and you land a glancing blow.

                  "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."
                  Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the fuck I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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                    #10
                    You if see a chance to kick some one in the head. Kick them in the fucken head, it looks like it really really hurts.

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                      #11
                      Err... actually I must have miss spoke I was rushing in and stopped as we were messing around at that point. You telegraphed pretty badly. People at my school throw spinning heel kicks and if they're not set up they are easy to deal with.

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                        #12
                        I was telegraphing on purpose, we weren't seriously striking. I just brought it up because it was funny. Oh...and I said I could hit "a lot of people". I didn't say I could hit Doch.

                        "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

                        Edited by - The Wastrel on May 30 2003 22:07:36

                        Edited by - The Wastrel on May 30 2003 22:21:39
                        Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the fuck I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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                          #13
                          Actually, when we meet, I telegraph all my kicks, and I deliberately kick quite slowly. I guess I should have said so. I HATE getting my shins dinged if I don't need to. I know...wah-wah. However, most of the time I am throwing legit hand strikes. I'm sure you've noticed the difference.

                          If you want, next time we meet I will throw some earnest kicks.

                          "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

                          Edited by - The Wastrel on May 30 2003 22:11:55
                          Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the fuck I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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                            #14
                            By the way, how do your ribs feel? ;)

                            "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."
                            Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the fuck I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

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