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    Originally posted by TenguMoon
    JP, thanks - I appreciate you had a knee jerk response
    I know the BJK has some serious issues, but where I train actively encourages cross training, we hit hard and train hard (learn to take a hit properly, bruises are commonplace, and learn to hit in a correct manner, placement, body movement) also including what I have seen called "pressure testing" and it all depends on a students level of skill and willingness to have a go. We often discuss (and train) the "traditional vs street" validity of techniques. The class has some "fighters" and some people who just train cause they like to, and many have done other arts previously. The dojo I am with is in south Brisbane.
    You're one of the lucky, and I think, few. I trained at New York Budo for over a year and I think was about to test for brown belt or something. I don't remember too clearly.

    Anyway, we used to fuck around after class and spar and beat the crap out of each other until one day the secretary came out and told us to stop or we were going to scare the other students.

    The secretary. The wannabe model who did not train. I left after that.



    Originally posted by TenguMoon
    who pays the insurance on these?
    personally, if these kind of injuries are happening, I think it refelects that the instructors have little control, or awareness of their students' ability or the students have little skill. If your training at the right level of intensity for your skill (and the quality of the art) then these injuries shouldnt be happening
    I thought the same thing. I mean, even at your average MMA gym injury is a common enough thing that nobody panics, but broken bones? Really? I mean a bloody or broken nose, sure. A tweaked joint? Very likely. And this skyrockets during preperation for a fight.

    But getting a leg busted from a kick is a bit much. Your instructor should have better control over things.

    Arakan, training in a place where people regularly get fucked up does not make it a tough school. It makes for small classes while people heal.

    Originally posted by TenguMoon
    The videos available on the website are more than enough example in my opinion
    I just went back and watched those....

    Sang, don't bother. You're just gonna feel dirty and frustrated. If you're gonna feel dirty and frustrated there really ought to be pretty girls involved, don't you think?

    I'm going to stop talking now. Tengu, hope you stick around and welcome.
    Last edited by JP; 8/13/2008 6:59pm, .
    Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
    and remember what peace there may be in silence.
    As far as possible, without surrender,
    be on good terms with all persons.
    Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
    and listen to others,
    even to the dull and ignorant;
    they too have their story.

    -excerpt of the poem called "Desiderata," by Max Ehrman, 1927.

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      The instructors pride themselves on control, but like in every sport there are accidents.
      Yes the proof is in the pudding. Ignore the website, ignore the sales pitches and marketing shit and take that free lesson.

      JP, you say that just because people get fuked up doesn't make it a tuff school.
      What makes it tough is that the students get up after falling off the horse, so to speak.

      Fuk injury. If this was on the street, the attacker/s doesn't care if u break something. Fight through it. give it everything you got.

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        Originally posted by JP

        Sang, don't bother. You're just gonna feel dirty and frustrated. If you're gonna feel dirty and frustrated there really ought to be pretty girls involved, don't you think?
        Woah, woah, DUDE!

        Here i am making all these "claims" about how awesome Arakan Martial art is, and YOU have done nothing but bitch and flame me the intire time. Now comes the time where there is TWO people (relativly local) saying they should check it out. to call me or Arakan MA out, and you are encouraging them not to do it?

        WTF man.

        UNBELIEVABLE

        What are you affraid of?

        And don't post back saying something silly like "Oh im trying to save them their time bla bla." BS

        Free Lesson. It's here.

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          Originally posted by Sang
          It would probably be without video since i really doubt i could get a friend to waste his time coming along and the instructors would no doubt be offended/say no if someone asked to video tape them.

          Basically my plan of attack is to go along to one of their lessons as any other student and to do a general 'dojo' review seeing if they actually spar, train with aliveness or hit pads. I doubt they do so i'll bring along two sets of sparring gear and stay behind at the end and politely ask their head instructor if he will spar me. If their instructors can't mop the floor with a low-amatuer level MT fighter then that will go in the report (judging by their pictures they are still young so risk of injury should be low).

          Any idea what their address is in Brisbane/training hours? This is pretty much the most important part of a MA website but i can't seem to find it.
          Hey mate,

          we don't have a dojo, the instructors will come to you, with in reason.

          They teach from 6am - 10pm monday - saturday. (obviously they have breaks during the day and they also have their own training to do.) So time isn't really an issue. What ever suits you best.

          Group classes are rated level 1-4.

          All beginners to arakan bust attend level 1 class for 1 moduel (8 weeks) and they do basic basic work. They have only just introduced this class so i have no idea about the specifics. Then when you prove yourself, you have a trial for the next level up. If you don't, back to the previuos class for anothe module.

          OBVIOUSLY you don't have that kind of commitment on your hands, so the free 1hr intro lesson, that is 1-1, will be more than enough to answer any of your questions and get a real feel for what Arakan MA is all about. And also you'll get taught a few techniques that you can use.

          Cheers bud.

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            It is kind of like a free ticket to shovel shit for an hour. Sure it is not going to cost you any money but why the hell would you choose to do it? Just to quit your bitching i will go along for a free lesson next month. I am pretty concerned with this no-gym thing though, if i give one of the instructors a black eye when we spar in a park i could really end up in a bad position legally.

            It is hardly calling you out by the way, we know you are full of shit, a troll and probably don't even train there. I will give this 'martial art' a fair trial though and will report back, i fully doubt there will be any degree of aliveness or sparring even if i ask for it. Now this on the other hand IS calling you out: consider this an e-challenge, I have trained MT less time than you have suposedly trained your MA so lets spar and have you show your worth. I'll come to a venue of your choosing next month to spar you with minimal padding (negotiatable), your choice of whether we include groundwork and to be filmed by a 3rd party. My last condition is that at the end of it there are no hard feelings and we go get a nice cold beer :).
            Last edited by Sang; 8/14/2008 5:13am, .

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              Originally posted by Sang
              It is kind of like a free ticket to shovel shit for an hour. Sure it is not going to cost you any money but why the hell would you choose to do it? Just to quit your bitching i will go along for a free lesson next month. I am pretty concerned with this no-gym thing though, if i give one of the instructors a black eye when we spar in a park i could really end up in a bad position legally.

              It is hardly calling you out by the way, we know you are full of shit, a troll and probably don't even train there. I will give this 'martial art' a fair trial though and will report back, i fully doubt there will be any degree of aliveness or sparring even if i ask for it. Now if you really want to prove your art consider this an e-challenge, i'll come to a venue of your choosing to spar next month.
              No troll, i train. not full of shit. you wont give the instructor a black eye. and if u doubt there will be any aliveness to it ur in for a very rude shock. looking forward to ur post after ur lesson!

              Thanks Champ.

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                Sorry to bring up an old thread, but was there ever any outcome to this epic saga?

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                  Originally posted by Cymro View Post
                  The pajamas look too damn Chinese for my taste. The traditional (and I know I'm using the term loosly) burmese clothing I've seen is a lot more like what they wear in Thailand.

                  Hell, I'm a translator, what do I know? Anyone with some firsthand knowledge care to comment?

                  Poking around a bit more, they site claims that Arakan is taught only on hte Gold Coast and in Brisbane. That sets off my Bullshidometer right there. Any down under members want to volunteer to go investigate?

                  I'm from the Gold Coast and mates with one of the instructors. I've never done a class but I've seen him in action a few times when I've been out. Seen him absolutely smash his way through bouncers 3 or 4 at once. Seen him take out 3 big maori boys that attacked him by himself without really getting hit. And those times I have seen him fight he used the moves and techniques that he teaches so maybe it's not as good as other styles but it can't be all bullshit.

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                    Originally posted by Arakan View Post
                    The instructors pride themselves on control, but like in every sport there are accidents.
                    Yes the proof is in the pudding. Ignore the website, ignore the sales pitches and marketing shit and take that free lesson.

                    JP, you say that just because people get fuked up doesn't make it a tuff school.
                    What makes it tough is that the students get up after falling off the horse, so to speak.

                    Fuk injury. If this was on the street, the attacker/s doesn't care if u break something. Fight through it. give it everything you got.

                    That's right. If you go to a martial arts class and you end up with a black eye that's too bad. We don't sue as quickly down here. If you asked nicely you might get a free band-aid.

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                      Originally posted by Maximus1976 View Post
                      Sorry to bring up an old thread, but was there ever any outcome to this epic saga?
                      I had my hand operated on shortly after this and was out of training for 3 months, if we can find an Arakan for me to spar i'd be happy to do it after my fight on the 12th of September. If JP is still promising blowjobs i'll even go to a lesson.

                      Edit:
                      A thought; maybe when we organize a Queensland Throwdown we can get Danos to invite his instructor friend along and have a friendly test of skills. That way there would be film too.
                      Last edited by Sang; 8/26/2009 9:39am, .

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                        Originally posted by Sang View Post
                        If JP is still promising blowjobs i'll even go to a lesson.
                        You should go check it out, but there's a statute of limitations on the blowjob offer, man. I mean, c'mon...

                        Note to self: Be careful what one offers to do on the internet.
                        Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
                        and remember what peace there may be in silence.
                        As far as possible, without surrender,
                        be on good terms with all persons.
                        Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
                        and listen to others,
                        even to the dull and ignorant;
                        they too have their story.

                        -excerpt of the poem called "Desiderata," by Max Ehrman, 1927.

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                          Dam, you sound just like my ex girlfriend!

                          While i think of it i'll add this thread to subscriptions so that I don't forget it exists when a future ARAKAN finds this thread 6 months later. Next month I'll organize an individual lesson just so people can get some closure on this thread.

                          For ARAKAN members:
                          I'm calling baloney on the ARAKAN art and invite any of it's members or instructors to prove their martial art in a sparring match. The proviso is that it is conducted legally and under a realistic ruleset.

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                            I observed an outdoor training session by an Arakan class several years ago. At that time, I had 5 years in Kung Fu. I trained in Muay Thai prior to that.

                            The training session was almost entirely padwork. It was pretty generic stuff: horizontal hammer-fist type strikes, palm strikes, and some trapping type work. The horizontal hammer-fist type strikes were not performed very well, but I think it was because the students themselves were not competent at it. They seemed to show the tenseness and inflexibility typical of the untrained or poorly trained. The palm strikes seemed a bit slappy at one extreme, and pushy at the other extreme; again, typical of those who are not competent at such strikes. Their footwork was less stable than what I've seen from Southern Praying Mantis or Wing Chun Kung Fu, although the instructor seemed quite fluid and solid. The trapping and sensitivity work seemed not as good as Southern Praying Mantis or Wing Chun.

                            That's pretty much all I can say. My memory of that class is not crystal clear, but I was underwhelmed by their technique and power. However, even if the history is BS, the art itself seems technically sound. I was probably observing a novice class, judging by the clumsiness of the students. Unfortunately, the instructor didn't do much practical demonstrations.

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                              Originally posted by Sang View Post
                              For ARAKAN members:
                              I'm calling baloney on the ARAKAN art and invite any of it's members or instructors to prove their martial art in a sparring match. The proviso is that it is conducted legally and under a realistic ruleset.
                              Good luck with that. But I have my doubts they'd agree to a friendly sparring match. Most likely your tongue and fingers will get more of a workout dealing with these people that your fists and feet will.

                              And I just realized how incredibly fucking dirty that last sentence would sound out of context...

                              Um. Bye now.
                              Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
                              and remember what peace there may be in silence.
                              As far as possible, without surrender,
                              be on good terms with all persons.
                              Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
                              and listen to others,
                              even to the dull and ignorant;
                              they too have their story.

                              -excerpt of the poem called "Desiderata," by Max Ehrman, 1927.

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                                No idea if its legit or not, but was at an expo a few years ago at a booth across from these guys. One of the instructors just slapped a training dummy regularly for about 3 hours. That was enough to turn me off it for life.

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