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  • OnceLost
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    thats why only criminals do it effeciently cause they are smart and they sit on the block taking courses in knife and gun attacks.
    Criminals don't do it efficiently - that's why more people survive attacks than die from them. Also, you're presenting a false argument by comparing knife and gun attacks to empty hand defenses; my two year old could accidentally hurt someone if he had a knife or a gun.

    You may not be taking the gun away to shoot him, curby - ASSUMING your technique works, you could just be taking it away to deny it to him/anyone else. You know - secure the scene.

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  • bwdillon
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    Originally posted by curby82
    what the hell is wrong with these TFT people who think they can teach me how to injure someone in a weekend, don't they know it takes a degree in rocket science and years of practice to learn how to hurt someone, thats why only criminals do it effeciently cause they are smart and they sit on the block taking courses in knife and gun attacks.

    the clip was from thier weapons series which showed a lot of techniques the one you viewed just happened to be one where the the thug was simply brandishing the weapon and obviously showed others where the weapon was aimed from various orientations.

    on the topic of not taking control of the gun I say this. I know many feel uncomfortable with the target in this particular vid (pre mastoid) and quite frankly yes there are other targets that most may find easier or may trust more and thats fine, TFT just tries to show you the full range of targets that are available to you, because all targets are considered equal because quite frankly if the technique just showed him stepping in and toe kicking the guy in the groin and then with another step while he is going into his picture perfect groin reaction gave him a double forarm strike to the neck, causeing him to faint noone would have thought much of the gun because those targets are obvious to us, but quite frankly after kicking the guy in the balls, knocking him unconsious, then crushing his throat so he sufficates in his sleep, would me now picking up his gun that I know absolutly nothing about and shooting him be any worse than what I just did to him? some may still say yes quite boldly and thats ok I guess because all our lives we have been taught the gun carries all the power and to always respect and take care of the gun before anything else.

    The vids are not there to show you how to go about injuring a man with a gun, it's to show you different ways in which the principles can be imployed also the joint breaking and weapons vids do not go very in depth into TFT's principles, if you want a clear understanding on what it is about you will first need to get thier seminar series or attend one of thier live trainings.

    OH P.S. the gun does not do anything but what the operator tells it to, and TFT also goes in depth as well in showing you how to insure that you don't get shot accidentally while the guy is falling etc as well as ensureing the safety of bystanders but as alwasy the primary concern is yourself
    I like most of the tft stuff there take on violence is pretty close to the way it's been for me. But like I said try that gun defence shite while someone you don't train with (IE a buddy who dosn't do tft or any other martial art) uses an airsoft pistol on you. Remember to wear proper eye protection when you do this. Those airsoft pistols are dirt cheap, just tell him to try and shoot you while you defend. I'm not jokeing you should really do this, I teach self defence and I REFUSE to teach people anything I myself cannot do in real life.
    p.s I've watched two of there dvd sets so I'm not just going by the clips that are shown here. Also I've been in some rough spots and know that things don't work as well as you belive they will, when someone pulls a knife you don't usualy know untill you've already been stabbed (or cut).

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  • curby82
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    what the hell is wrong with these TFT people who think they can teach me how to injure someone in a weekend, don't they know it takes a degree in rocket science and years of practice to learn how to hurt someone, thats why only criminals do it effeciently cause they are smart and they sit on the block taking courses in knife and gun attacks.

    the clip was from thier weapons series which showed a lot of techniques the one you viewed just happened to be one where the the thug was simply brandishing the weapon and obviously showed others where the weapon was aimed from various orientations.

    on the topic of not taking control of the gun I say this. I know many feel uncomfortable with the target in this particular vid (pre mastoid) and quite frankly yes there are other targets that most may find easier or may trust more and thats fine, TFT just tries to show you the full range of targets that are available to you, because all targets are considered equal because quite frankly if the technique just showed him stepping in and toe kicking the guy in the groin and then with another step while he is going into his picture perfect groin reaction gave him a double forarm strike to the neck, causeing him to faint noone would have thought much of the gun because those targets are obvious to us, but quite frankly after kicking the guy in the balls, knocking him unconsious, then crushing his throat so he sufficates in his sleep, would me now picking up his gun that I know absolutly nothing about and shooting him be any worse than what I just did to him? some may still say yes quite boldly and thats ok I guess because all our lives we have been taught the gun carries all the power and to always respect and take care of the gun before anything else.

    The vids are not there to show you how to go about injuring a man with a gun, it's to show you different ways in which the principles can be imployed also the joint breaking and weapons vids do not go very in depth into TFT's principles, if you want a clear understanding on what it is about you will first need to get thier seminar series or attend one of thier live trainings.

    OH P.S. the gun does not do anything but what the operator tells it to, and TFT also goes in depth as well in showing you how to insure that you don't get shot accidentally while the guy is falling etc as well as ensureing the safety of bystanders but as alwasy the primary concern is yourself

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  • Jebuyaga
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    Originally posted by Kungfoolss
    I suppose when you get beyond the basics as this latest clip shows, TFT principles falls apart rather quickly.
    Basics + impressive fluff = crap

    The formula to make it work is:

    Basics x time + resistance = ability to correctly improvise = "advanced technique"

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  • bwdillon
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    Oh durr sorry about that, I was looking at one of the clips from a few pages back. Yeah this is a prime example of what I don't like about TFT. Like I said I still haven't met anyone who can preform this sort of thing satisfactorily.

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  • bwdillon
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    I'm weary of virtualy any gun defence. So far I have yet to meet someone who can pull them off successfully enough for me to be convinced. I used to have one of those airsoft guns that use the little paintballs/plastic bb's and if someone can't get make it work on that how can they make it work with a gun when someone has intent to kill.
    ps. I think I looked at the wrong clip LOL.
    wihich number post was the clip on?
    Last edited by bwdillon; 2/28/2007 12:45pm, . Reason: question

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  • Kungfoolss
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    Originally posted by bwdillon
    I'm not entirely sure of what context that training clip is in.
    Handling a guy armed with a firearm, i.e., threatening you with lethal force.

    That sort of randori training is good for developing body movement/placement but is completely unrealistic. It is important to give realistic reaction when you are doing this kind of training but you still need to give realistic attacks and resistance (don't be a compliant stoog and flop around like a fish).
    You stated previously the TFT mantra - "Penetrate, dominate, whatever." However, I did not see that in this clip. From what I can ascertain, this is 'technique 9' from some portion of their curriculum in dealing with people armed with firearms. Undoubtedly, instructor Torin posted this in the hopes of impressing the layman with his use of strike manipulation and takedown. Clearly, instructor Torin doesn't know what the hell he's talking about because that sort of thing from beginning to end is likely to get you shot and killed.

    My friend who introduced me to TFT works in a psychiatric ward and has successfully used the base principles to take on larger untrained mentally unstable people.
    I suppose when you get beyond the basics as this latest clip shows, TFT principles falls apart rather quickly.

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  • bwdillon
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    I'm not entirely sure of what context that training clip is in. That sort of randori training is good for developing body movement/placement but is completely unrealistic. It is important to give realistic reaction when you are doing this kind of training but you still need to give realistic attacks and resistance (don't be a compliant stoog and flop around like a fish).
    My friend who introduced me to TFT works in a psychiatric ward and has successfully used the base principles to take on larger untrained mentally unstable people.

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  • OnceLost
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    Out of curiosity, what'd you think of the most recent video clip?

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  • Kungfoolss
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    Can you tell what TFT is doing wrong in this footage?

    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=torinhill

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  • OnceLost
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    the individuals there don't engage in any meaningful debate. It is a place rife with sycophancy and yes-men.
    Hmmph, sounds like us state workers.

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  • Kungfoolss
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    Originally posted by OnceLost
    I just have to point out that you are not a good representative of TFT. A representative should at least try and use the language correctly...spelling, grammar, little things like that.

    This is what I was talking about when I mentioned learning to write coherently. What the fuck are you trying to say, other than you are running away because you can't handle us questioning your style?
    I can only surmise we are either dealing with an extremely young individual or someone unused to having his conceptual views challenged. This would account for the deterioration of his posts. While he's futilely attempting to put a positive spin on his position, his emotion laden responses are in fact causing the reverse. The members here will note his only recourse is say whenever his argument fails, "Well, TFT says this...," meaning of course Curby is incapable of thinking for himself. I should point out, having visited the TFT private forum years previous, the individuals there don't engage in any meaningful debate. It is a place rife with sycophancy and yes-men. That breeds lazy thinking, so I'm not all that surprised when one of those mental mites jumps headlong into a place such as Bullshido and is torn apart.

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  • OnceLost
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    I just have to point out that you are not a good representative of TFT. A representative should at least try and use the language correctly...spelling, grammar, little things like that.

    lol I'm sorry about that. did'nt realise you actually took the nun falling out of the sky thiing litterally lol you are all truly histerical. but thats go ahead and keep talking about it, its fun to see you do it.
    If you didn't catch the humor in my post about the woman falling out of the sky, I'm not going to bother to explain...

    I love the way someone said that it is not revolutionary because they are absolutly correct. Violence has been around from the dawn of time with cain and abel (hope I spelt that correct or else my religious beliefs might arise in someone's next post) and all TFT teaches is the use of violence so there is nothing revolutionary there, but they do teach it in the best way that I have ever seen in my 14 or so years in martial arts.
    You referenced a biblical story, the dawn of time, and the presence of violence in human nature all in the same sentence. You've joined an elite club, my friend. It might be time to go hang out with them instead of us poor ignorant folks. Besides, I trace my martial lineage to Cain...

    A lot of you are still thinking of violence as dueling.
    You're an idiot. Have you really managed to misread all of the threads where we mention real fights or violence?

    On the topic of a drugged out attacker. Ask yourself that question and give me the answer you come up with k, but my answer would be a crushed throat, amoung other things.
    And how do you expect to hit his throat? And, should you hit it, do you really expect to crush it? Have you ever crushed a throat? The larynx is fairly elastic, after all. Do a little experiment - next time your dog attacks your wife, grab it by the throat (which is what I did not too long ago). Hmmm, it doesn't crush easily.
    Besides, you missed the point. The issue of the drugged out attacker was to bring up someone who is not going to react to pain stimuli, thus rendering your "reflex reactions" useless.

    I'm going to leave you guys with this post, say as you wish about what ever you wish, but I have found what I have always thought self defence was about and I guess you guys have also.
    This is what I was talking about when I mentioned learning to write coherently. What the fuck are you trying to say, other than you are running away because you can't handle us questioning your style?

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  • curby82
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    lol I'm sorry about that. did'nt realise you actually took the nun falling out of the sky thiing litterally lol you are all truly histerical. but thats go ahead and keep talking about it, its fun to see you do it.

    I love the way someone said that it is not revolutionary because they are absolutly correct. Violence has been around from the dawn of time with cain and abel (hope I spelt that correct or else my religious beliefs might arise in someone's next post) and all TFT teaches is the use of violence so there is nothing revolutionary there, but they do teach it in the best way that I have ever seen in my 14 or so years in martial arts.

    sorry to say TFT is something the guy in the cell with you can teach you, lol not in the way you think LOst :-) because I don't believe any of those guys were in there for loosing a fight. though they never spent years in a dojo they seem to be preety effecient at doing violence.

    Do I expect the guy to stand there at let me hit him? well i wish he would be sadly I dont think he'll be that generous, wether or not he can stop me is another story. I could go into the actual application of that idea but what good would it do when talking to someone who is already set in their ways. but I will ask a question. How will you get that first hit in? And I'm sure what ever answer you come up with would not be that far away from how I expect to. I do expect to be punched, kicked, if there is a knife involved cut. not because I don't talk about it means I totally neglect those things but the fact is I can bounce my fist of the guy's head all day but nothing is going to stop the fight till one of us gets injured and the guy continues to cause further injury. A lot of you are still thinking of violence as dueling. we both square off and ready and then we try to hit each other, and if you continue to think of what I'm talking about like that you'll never understand where I'm coming from. whether the fight went to the ground and we are there slugging it away and in between in he gets me in a head lock and introduces me to his groin which I then hit with everything that I have or I just finished pulling my money out at the ATM and I turn around and he's right in my face with a knife and I knee him to the bladder, the only thing that would have changed the tides was injury. No one comes to mug you and drops into an inverted frog stance then asks you for your money, they tipically have to be close enough for you to register the threat which is often close enough for you to get to your target.

    On the topic of a drugged out attacker. Ask yourself that question and give me the answer you come up with k, but my answer would be a crushed throat, amoung other things.

    I'm going to leave you guys with this post, say as you wish about what ever you wish, but I have found what I have always thought self defence was about and I guess you guys have also.

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