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    #61
    The point is whether or not TFT fantasy fighters can reproduce the medical, trauma-based damage they claim is possible under 'alive' conditions.
    Of course they can...it's just too dangerous to test, so you have to take their word for it.

    Wait...Kungfoolss, did you say that the central nervous system can consciously override reflex reactions? Say it isn't so!!

    It's time for the test of the Gom Jabbar!!!

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      #62
      wow kung foo, someone seemed to have got you all riled up, just for simplicity can you try to compact your posts and questions in one or two posts as to make it easier to reply to you please.

      I'll touch on a few things that you spoke about, and the first being the liver shot. You should google the fight and more importantly Oscar's comments after the fight. I did'nt say that all the other punches had nothing to do with it, Oscar did when he said and I quote "it did'nt matter how hard he hit me, he got his button, and I went down, and though I was consious of everything around me I simply could not get back up"

      The brick thing was an exageration and if you could not see that.... nvm

      I totally agree with you about the consious controlling of the reflex actions, It is possible to control lets say a strike to the neck or groin Under Controlled Situations.
      There was recently a show on the Discovery channel showing some masters doing some incredible things, there was this one guy that was sticking knives in his eyes to the point that the eye ball was moving around with it, and another guy was bending spears with his neck and everyone was like wow and it makes you wonder if you can ever hurt these guys, but I garantee you if I offered to stick the knife in his eye he would have quickly turned me down, and if I stepped behind and punched the guy with the spear in the kidney,shin kicked him in the groin then drove his knee into the concrete, Stomped on the back of his ankle breaking it, then stepped in front of him and with a knife hand drove him onto his back by striking him in the throat, then took the spear and shanked him in the neck I'm sure it will have no trouble going in. VIOLENCE IS RANDOM you can't prepare to take a strike in a violent conflict.

      I know there were some other stuff that you spoke about kungfool but i can't go back and search through your posts for them right now but finally I say ruptured testicles and broken ribs that bruse and depending on the force of the strike even lacerate organs because if your spending time on a target you want to make sure your putting the maximum force possible at the time on that target and to insure that what ever target you strike is not going to work anymore once your done with it, but quite frankly you don't ned to break the the floating ribs to impact trauma on the kidneys but my ultimate goal when going for the kidneys is to crack his ribs, same with the liver and spleen, I want to crack his false ribs while going for them. And to clarify something again because I remember saying it before. It's not about pain, though there will be pain involved, when we strike a target its natural functioning is going to be altered. I guess thats why the shin is'nt a target, it may hurt like crazy when you get a kick there at times but it still works just fine once that pain is gone,thats a subjective injury, but if I drop my body weight, using the correct tool on top of someones foot, they may be able to by pass the pain but the result was a broken foot, and a broken foot does'nt funtion normally and thats an objective injury.

      Kungfool I really don't want to argue with you because it will go no where (though I have no problems in answering any genuine question about the system you may have for me), I simply replied to the question that the thread posed and in the process raised some questions that some people can only ask in a condecending manner hoping it will provoke a response and an answer that may wow them, but I can't do that, my only advise on that to anyone who has a curiousity about it would be to do some more checking on the topic on other sites for yourself and if you still can't believe what all the gulible people have to say about it then check it out for yourself.

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        #63
        Originally posted by curby82
        I'll touch on a few things that you spoke about, and the first being the liver shot. You should google the fight and more importantly Oscar's comments after the fight. I did'nt say that all the other punches had nothing to do with it, Oscar did when he said and I quote "it did'nt matter how hard he hit me, he got his button, and I went down, and though I was consious of everything around me I simply could not get back up"
        The brick thing was an exageration and if you could not see that.... Nvm
        I totally agree with you about the consious controlling of the reflex actions, It is possible to control lets say a strike to the neck or groin Under Controlled Situations.
        There was recently a show on the Discovery channel showing some masters doing some incredible things, there was this one guy that was sticking knives in his eyes to the point that the eye ball was moving around with it, and another guy was bending spears with his neck and everyone was like wow and it makes you wonder if you can ever hurt these guys, but I garantee you if I offered to stick the knife in his eye he would have quickly turned me down, and if I stepped behind and punched the guy with the spear in the kidney,shin kicked him in the groin then drove his knee into the concrete, Stomped on the back of his ankle breaking it, then stepped in front of him and with a knife hand drove him onto his back by striking him in the throat, then took the spear and shanked him in the neck I'm sure it will have no trouble going in. VIOLENCE IS RANDOM you can't prepare to take a strike in a violent conflict.
        These are issues of stage magic, but to then equate that against an individual that is prepared to be hurt and to hurt you, taking an attacker out is not so cut and dry if you fail to comprehend the variables present or are unprepared physically to affect those variables as I believe TFT practitioners to be.

        I know there were some other stuff that you spoke about kungfool but i can't go back and search through your posts for them right now but finally I say ruptured testicles and broken ribs that bruse and depending on the force of the strike even lacerate organs because if your spending time on a target you want to make sure your putting the maximum force possible at the time on that target and to insure that what ever target you strike is not going to work anymore once your done with it, but quite frankly you don't ned to break the the floating ribs to impact trauma on the kidneys but my ultimate goal when going for the kidneys is to crack his ribs, same with the liver and spleen, I want to crack his false ribs while going for them. And to clarify something again because I remember saying it before. It's not about pain, though there will be pain involved, when we strike a target its natural functioning is going to be altered. I guess thats why the shin is'nt a target, it may hurt like crazy when you get a kick there at times but it still works just fine once that pain is gone,thats a subjective injury, but if I drop my body weight, using the correct tool on top of someones foot, they may be able to by pass the pain but the result was a broken foot, and a broken foot does'nt funtion normally and thats an objective injury.
        Kungfool I really don't want to argue with you because it will go no where (though I have no problems in answering any genuine question about the system you may have for me), I simply replied to the question that the thread posed and in the process raised some questions that some people can only ask in a condecending manner hoping it will provoke a response and an answer that may wow them, but I can't do that, my only advise on that to anyone who has a curiousity about it would be to do some more checking on the topic on other sites for yourself and if you still can't believe what all the gulible people have to say about it then check it out for yourself.
        Last edited by Kungfoolss; 12/30/2006 9:31pm, .

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          #64
          In case anyone is interested, here is a TFT workout. As you can see from the footage, these guys are merely going through the motions, sufficed to say these sort of mechanics and leverages are fine when applied to another human being of equal size or smaller. However, utilized against another person of larger proportions they will most likely fail and not go as smoothly. The reason these mechanics will ultimately fail is obvious - well, to me - is the lack of power being generated by both workout partners through the lack of drive and penetration, but this is what you can expect from a system that believes heavy bag workouts are not required.

          Clearly, is not how you learn to handle resistance.
          Last edited by Kungfoolss; 12/31/2006 3:35am, .

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            #65
            Originally posted by Kungfoolss
            In case anyone is interested, here is a TFT workout. As you can see from the footage, these guys are merely going through the motions, sufficed to say these sort of mechanics and leverages are fine when applied to another human being of equal size or smaller. However, utilized against another person of larger proportions they will most likely fail and not go as smoothly. The reason these mechanics will ultimately fail is obvious - well, to me - is the lack of power being generated by both workout partners through the lack of drive and penetration, but this is what you can expect from a system that believes heavy bag workouts are not required.

            Clearly, is not how you learn to handle resistance.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOyE6aQ6qKE
            compliance and rag doll physics FTW

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              #66
              LOL you really think I care if you saw the newsletter that the fight with Oscar was posted, all that tells me is that you showed an interest in knowing more about the system before you say something about it, it still does not change the fact that it happened, and your problem is you still think of punching and kicking as arm and leg strength so you will always be at a lost as to how you can generate the forces required to do the structural damage I speak of. Kungfool you are exactly that. And for you information TFT is ALL about follow through with the strikes and while your punching with 20lbs for your arm I'll be striking you with 150lbs, and because we don't lead with our arms and legs there is little chance of loosing balance also the only place we train to fight is through the guy's space so if he does move a target it's not going to move very far. (INJURE< PENETRATE<ROTATE) we don't duel with the guy trading punches and kicks from a distance we go through him. I used the example with the brick because I know I would get some stupid response from someone like you saying I can't break a nose at will with my bare hands and then I would have to go through the mechanics of it which i did not have the energy nor time but the result is the same, you end up with a broken nose and your hands rise up to your face to protect and cover it.

              I really don't want to continue this with you honestly but as always us guys have that problem with having the last word but I have to do as I preach and walk away, so you can have the last word Kungfool. TO EACH HIS OWN

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                #67
                Originally posted by curby82
                LOL you really think I care if you saw the newsletter that the fight with Oscar was posted,
                Then why make such a big deal about the crayola newsletter?

                all that tells me is that you showed an interest in knowing more about the system before you say something about it,
                I do my research, you can see how it benefits this discussion to destroy your misinformation.

                it still does not change the fact that it happened, and your problem is you still think of punching and kicking as arm and leg strength so you will always be at a lost as to how you can generate the forces required to do the structural damage I speak of.
                Kungfool you are exactly that. And for you information TFT is ALL about follow through with the strikes and while your punching with 20lbs for your arm I'll be striking you with 150lbs, and because we don't lead with our arms and legs there is little chance of loosing balance also the only place we train to fight is through the guy's space so if he does move a target it's not going to move very far.


                (INJURE< PENETRATE<ROTATE)
                Yes, yes. I am quite aware of your brainwashed mantras.

                we don't duel with the guy trading punches and kicks from a distance we go through him. I used the example with the brick because I know I would get some stupid response from someone like you saying I can't break a nose at will with my bare hands and then I would have to go through the mechanics of it which i did not have the energy nor time but the result is the same, you end up with a broken nose and your hands rise up to your face to protect and cover it.
                I really don't want to continue this with you honestly but as always us guys have that problem with having the last word but I have to do as I preach and walk away, so you can have the last word Kungfool. TO EACH HIS OWN

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                  #68
                  Were they really slapping the mats in that video like them funny pro wrestlers?
                  Combat arts/training like that make baby Odin cry.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Bladesinger
                    Were they really slapping the mats in that video like them funny pro wrestlers?
                    Combat arts/training like that make baby Odin cry.
                    It was either the poor quality of the mats ( a lack of absorbtion properties) or they were purposefully hamming it up before the spectators. Personally, I believe it was both only because you should've heard a lot more sharp exhaling sounds on impact rather than the pro wrestling sound effects. The lack of vocal sounds suggest the power generated was not present. When you really get slammed with power, you will make noise with your lungs to disperse the energy, merely slapping the ground as the TFT instructors are doing is just not going to cut it. This is part of the reason I knew these guys in the video were not generating any substantial power with their use of leverages and throws or hits.

                    I'll give you an example, my training partner and I were working out at a section of Waikiki Beach at night. Sand is very soft so there wasn't any of the pro wrestling sounds you hear in the TFT footage, but because we were hitting, throwing and slamming each other hard we did make lots of vocal sounds to dispel energy. After about 30-minutes, 4 police cushman's converged on our area because they were getting complaints from the hotel residents people were 'beefing' on the beach. We told them we were just working out and the cops shrugged and went away. When real force is being applied against you in training, you breathe loudly, if you aren't as these instructors are, then it's just TFT fluff and eye candy.

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                      #70
                      "Oh how our egos get in the way of peace"

                      someone sent him the post that was made of the crayons, and I believe that was made clear in the the letter, wether it was meant for you or not I do not know.

                      unfortunatly I was not able to pull up the youtube vid that you posted but I can preety much imagine what it looked like and I must say if your trying to base an argument on how hard someone hits the mat in training then you truely are a retard looking for attention and recognition, remove the mat from the equation and put concrete k.

                      I'm honestly and I mean honestly trying to figure out what part of TFT that you have the real problem with. Everyone says oh not everyone will react to this and that strike, I remember right after I came back from the seminar and I was talking to one of my friends about it and another one of my friends said thats retarded I would'nt put my hands there because I would have it in a defensive position blocking, and all the bells went off in my head because this is exactly the response we were told to look for when searching for a workout partner, and the solution we were given was to educate them, and I just jumped at the opportunity, so I said fine np and in the same wind I stepped in and back handed him to the groin, and sure enough a picture perfect groin reaction with little to no effort, and of course He said in the end " I only did that because it was you but in a real fight I would not do that" poor soul did'nt even realise that it was involuntary, He does'nt know that I could do him that everyday the same way and his body would betray him the same way every single time (well until he caught on to me that is)

                      Whats the moral? Well I've hit lots of people in the groin before and have also been hit there and the day I successfully injure the groin and get no reaction is the day I drop into a crab back and like my own nuts.

                      There are some targets in training that we obviously could not go all out on but there were some that we could (mainly the nerve strikes) and I remember every time I got hit in my LFC and sapheanous my legs gave out every single time and so did my partner's and every other person in the room, so I'll take a 100% probabilty in a class of 30 odd people over your fancy words anyday fool.

                      Oh and there was one factor that you left out in your theory of speed + mass =
                      and that was a TARGET. A 100lb woman could drop out of the sky on top a 320 guy and not even make him budge , but put an impact tool ( in this case lets use a knee) and a target (lets say his bladder"very poorly muscled area", we used groin to much all ready) and then drop that woman out of the sky and by golly we got our selves an injury. now I just want you to now picture if you were that guy that got 100lbs suddenly dropped through somone's kness onto your bladder, how do you think your body will move in response to having said injury. yup we all had the same picture in our heads with the body rolling to the side into a semi fetal position, and guess what that was a spinal reflex and it is universal to every single person in the planet.

                      Now everyone has an issue about you cant hit it with the adrenaline pumping etc. but the thing is nothing stops whatever is happening to you at the point unless you injure the guy, so I don't see what the issue is, what ever thought you have in your mind as to how you deal with a given situation no matter how you go about getting there, whether you plan to you his force against him or to throw in combinations or what ever, nothing changes until you injure him, and all TFT teaches you is to immediatly go for that injury and it also shows you the places that the body is easiest to be injured, wether you believe the way in which we choose to strike is ineffecient is your views and understandable but it does not change the suseptability of the weak areas of the human body.

                      now never mind the fact that in the mastery program they begin to use the reflexes strategically the fact is if I get that first injury his body will show me another area to injure and I just pick the one that I choose, I don't have to do it the fancy way like striking to the groin and knowing where his chiin and throat will be now going place my forearm there so he could slam his throat into it etc etc. I could simple step in with a forearm to the throat and push him all the way trough to the ground then while he is on the ground stomp the life out of him, nothing fancy about that but it works. TFT is'nt about Tim-inizing anyone it is about using violence but they show you the full scope that the information can be used in. Like They say all the time, if all else falls you can still pick up that rock and hit the guy repeatedly in the head and that will work too.

                      So FOOL you can talk your semantics all day long but you know as well as everyone else in this room and on the planet that a thumb in the eye is a thumb in the eye and though some may react more dramatically than others the baseline reaction is always going to be the same, unlike the animal kingdom where there are many species of fish and dogs, cats, etc with us there is only one though we may have different faces and names our bodies are made up the same for the most part thats why I can study medicine in Cuba and still know how to patch someone up in China.

                      Why do you seek so much attention KUngfool, poking me to enter into a debate about firearm disarment. Should just the fact that I don't particularly like you tell me that you know nothing about said topic. But you sure think that way, and I guess your use to getting your way in this forum right "do you know who I am" lol my girlfriend says that to me all the time so when you say it its a bit funny. I know I'm the new guy and may come off very arogant and it is by no means my intention so again I appoligise to everyone whom I may have offended. even you fool.
                      Last edited by curby82; 1/02/2007 8:37am, .

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                        #71
                        INJURE< PENETRATE<ROTATE
                        Maybe it's me, but this sounds kinda...dirty. Like something your cellmate would teach you in prison...

                        I just jumped at the opportunity, so I said fine np and in the same wind I stepped in and back handed him to the groin, and sure enough a picture perfect groin reaction with little to no effort, and of course He said in the end " I only did that because it was you but in a real fight I would not do that" poor soul did'nt even realise that it was involuntary, He does'nt know that I could do him that everyday the same way and his body would betray him the same way every single time (well until he caught on to me that is)
                        So, outside of the environment of a fight (no adrenaline), you hit an unprepared man (no ready defenses) in the groin and the fact that he grabbed his crotch justifies your training methodology?

                        There are some targets in training that we obviously could not go all out on but there were some that we could (mainly the nerve strikes) and I remember every time I got hit in my LFC and sapheanous my legs gave out every single time and so did my partner's and every other person in the room, so I'll take a 100% probabilty in a class of 30 odd people over your fancy words anyday fool.
                        So you got hit in the laternal femoral cutaneous nerve (surpised, aren't you?) and a vein and your leg gave out. Let me give you a scenario - if you had been at a chi gung seminar and someone was teaching mystic breathing techniques that would prevent the leg from giving out...you see where I'm going with this. The body often reacts in the way we are 'supposed' to react. Read here - Dillman no touch or pressure point knockouts. Now, I'm not saying that strikes to the leg are useless - cops are frequently taught to use a kneestrike to the common peroneal, but there are differences.
                        1 - The common peroneal nerve is larger than the LFC, so it is an easier target.
                        2 - Cops, generally, aren't taught to kneestrike someone who is hands-down fighting. You use the knee to the thigh to distract the person from the takedown you're about to do. A distraction, however, is not a reflex reaction. The leg is not struck to force it to unlock. Personally, I preferred an open handed slap on the back of the head as a distraction.

                        a thumb in the eye is a thumb in the eye and though some may react more dramatically than others the baseline reaction is always going to be the same,
                        True, and a thumb in the eye might have a traumatic effect if you can hit the little tiny moving target. More than likely, though, you're going to miss and while you're trying to retract your arm (because you used 150lbs of force), the other guy is going to feed you your teeth.
                        unlike the animal kingdom where there are many species of fish and dogs, cats, etc with us there is only one though we may have different faces and names our bodies are made up the same for the most part thats why I can study medicine in Cuba and still know how to patch someone up in China.
                        This takes the cake for semi-literate rambling. News flash, education is not the same in various countries. Given a choice between a doctor educated in the US or Europe or one educated in Cuba, I'm probably going to steer away from the Cuban doctor...you're also comparing our physical makeup with our reactions to stimuli and, again, you miss the points that are:
                        1 - People may not react the same way to identical stimuli in controlled situations
                        2 - People in a fight can overcome a great deal of pain stimuli
                        3 - People who fight you may not react to any stimuli (mind altering substances or mental illness)
                        4 - You cannot depend on a certain strike or sequence of strikes to end a fight
                        5 - The idea of putting 100% force behind every strike you throw without exception is, well, dumb. If you are in a seriously advantageous position (say, rear mount) and can unleash a hailstorm of elbows, maybe 100% force is a workable idea, but not in the first "exchanges" of a fight...

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by curby82
                          "Oh how our egos get in the way of peace"

                          someone sent him the post that was made of the crayons, and I believe that was made clear in the the letter, wether it was meant for you or not I do not know.
                          See, now I'm confused. First you stated, "Here is the Newsletter I was telling you about, and Be honoured because I'm sure he was reffering to you kungfool", now you're not sure? Well, which is it?

                          unfortunatly I was not able to pull up the youtube vid that you posted but I can preety much imagine what it looked like and I must say if your trying to base an argument on how hard someone hits the mat in training then you truely are a retard looking for attention and recognition, remove the mat from the equation and put concrete k.
                          I realize comprehension is not your strength, but at least make an effort to get on the same page as everyone else here.

                          I'm honestly and I mean honestly trying to figure out what part of TFT that you have the real problem with.
                          You're hopelessly brainwashed, it's not a surprise you can't see what's so painfully evident to the rest of us.

                          Everyone says oh not everyone will react to this and that strike, I remember right after I came back from the seminar and I was talking to one of my friends about it and another one of my friends said thats retarded I would'nt put my hands there because I would have it in a defensive position blocking, and all the bells went off in my head because this is exactly the response we were told to look for when searching for a workout partner, and the solution we were given was to educate them, and I just jumped at the opportunity, so I said fine np and in the same wind I stepped in and back handed him to the groin, and sure enough a picture perfect groin reaction with little to no effort, and of course He said in the end " I only did that because it was you but in a real fight I would not do that" poor soul did'nt even realise that it was involuntary, He does'nt know that I could do him that everyday the same way and his body would betray him the same way every single time (well until he caught on to me that is)
                          When my friends daughter suddenly pokes me in the ribs and I flinch, it doesn't have the same effect when I can see and anticipate the intent. However, if you feel more secure with your delusions of grandeur, by all means.

                          Whats the moral? Well I've hit lots of people in the groin before and have also been hit there and the day I successfully injure the groin and get no reaction is the day I drop into a crab back and like my own nuts.
                          It's amazing. All those groin strikes and all those ruptured testicles....oh, wait, that didn't happen did it.

                          There are some targets in training that we obviously could not go all out on but there were some that we could (mainly the nerve strikes) and I remember every time I got hit in my LFC and sapheanous my legs gave out every single time and so did my partner's and every other person in the room, so I'll take a 100% probabilty in a class of 30 odd people over your fancy words anyday fool.
                          Yes, we hear the same garbage regarding the effectiveness of systema as well. By the way, in case you can't see the obivious, in the real world it's unlikely an attackers going to just stand there and allow you to hit him without resisting.

                          Oh and there was one factor that you left out in your theory of speed + mass =
                          and that was a TARGET. A 100lb woman could drop out of the sky on top a 320 guy and not even make him budge
                          Are you on drugs or something? A ten-pound weight dropped from a 30-story tower onto a man regardless of his weight would critically injure or kill that man.

                          , but put an impact tool ( in this case lets use a knee) and a target (lets say his bladder"very poorly muscled area", we used groin to much all ready) and then drop that woman out of the sky and by golly we got our selves an injury. now I just want you to now picture if you were that guy that got 100lbs suddenly dropped through somone's kness onto your bladder, how do you think your body will move in response to having said injury. yup we all had the same picture in our heads with the body rolling to the side into a semi fetal position, and guess what that was a spinal reflex and it is universal to every single person in the planet.
                          Putting aside your moronic explanation of impact force, again, you're assuming a lot that the woman would know how to drop her weight correctly to maximize impact force and second, that the man on the receiving end of the is going to allow it to happen.

                          Now everyone has an issue about you cant hit it with the adrenaline pumping etc. but the thing is nothing stops whatever is happening to you at the point unless you injure the guy, so I don't see what the issue is, what ever thought you have in your mind as to how you deal with a given situation no matter how you go about getting there, whether you plan to you his force against him or to throw in combinations or what ever, nothing changes until you injure him, and all TFT teaches you is to immediatly go for that injury and it also shows you the places that the body is easiest to be injured, wether you believe the way in which we choose to strike is ineffecient is your views and understandable but it does not change the suseptability of the weak areas of the human body.
                          What is relevant is how you can foolishly believe that all the "weak" areas of the body are open and accessible to being hit by you.

                          now never mind the fact that in the mastery program they begin to use the reflexes strategically the fact is if I get that first injury his body will show me another area to injure and I just pick the one that I choose, I don't have to do it the fancy way like striking to the groin and knowing where his chiin and throat will be now going place my forearm there so he could slam his throat into it etc etc. I could simple step in with a forearm to the throat and push him all the way trough to the ground then while he is on the ground stomp the life out of him, nothing fancy about that but it works. TFT is'nt about Tim-inizing anyone it is about using violence but they show you the full scope that the information can be used in. Like They say all the time, if all else falls you can still pick up that rock and hit the guy repeatedly in the head and that will work too.
                          *Snoring*

                          So FOOL you can talk your semantics all day long but you know as well as everyone else in this room and on the planet that a thumb in the eye is a thumb in the eye and though some may react more dramatically than others the baseline reaction is always going to be the same, unlike the animal kingdom where there are many species of fish and dogs, cats, etc with us there is only one though we may have different faces and names our bodies are made up the same for the most part thats why I can study medicine in Cuba and still know how to patch someone up in China.
                          You belong in Cuba, from what I understand, the people living under communist rule aren't terribly bright to begin with. You'd fit right in. As for having the same "parts," funny how some people are faster, while others are stronger, and still some are born with genius level intellects. Seems to me, just pointing out those very basic concepts of human differences destroys this farcical view you have on reality.

                          Why do you seek so much attention KUngfool,
                          Translation: "Stop lambasting my TFT religion!"

                          poking me to enter into a debate about firearm disarment. Should just the fact that I don't particularly like you tell me that you know nothing about said topic. But you sure think that way,
                          Translation: ???

                          and I guess your use to getting your way in this forum right "do you know who I am" lol my girlfriend says that to me all the time so when you say it its a bit funny.
                          I would've thought it was more along the lines of "It's so small." :laughing5

                          I know I'm the new guy and may come off very arogant and it is by no means my intention so again I appoligise to everyone whom I may have offended. even you fool.
                          You don't come off as arrogant, just stupid. There's a difference.
                          Last edited by Kungfoolss; 1/03/2007 5:25am, .

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by OnceLost
                            Maybe it's me, but this sounds kinda...dirty. Like something your cellmate would teach you in prison...
                            Funny you should bring that up because the core of TFT is built on the research that was conducted by them on "prison assaults."

                            True, and a thumb in the eye might have a traumatic effect if you can hit the little tiny moving target. More than likely, though, you're going to miss and while you're trying to retract your arm (because you used 150lbs of force), the other guy is going to feed you your teeth.
                            150 lb of force...it just sounds retarded.

                            5 - The idea of putting 100% force behind every strike you throw without exception is, well, dumb. If you are in a seriously advantageous position (say, rear mount) and can unleash a hailstorm of elbows, maybe 100% force is a workable idea, but not in the first "exchanges" of a fight...
                            Didn't you know, TFT cultists don't ever miss their targets and always land 100% of whatever strikes they throw. In any event, 100% of power usually equals a lack of control on the part of the fighter and it could mean the TFT guy is simply reacting out of fear. In either case, it is the hallmark of an amateur.

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                              #74
                              Curby, how does this equation fit into your TFT training or your examples of people falling out of the sky...
                              Energy = (Mass x Velocity)^2 / 2

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by OnceLost
                                Curby, how does this equation fit into your TFT training or your examples of people falling out of the sky...
                                Energy = (Mass x Velocity)^2 / 2
                                This TFT nimrod doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. In order to drop a knee into an attackers stomach "from above," the attackers has to be laying on his back on the ground. This is why his explanation didn't make any sense.

                                As for the need to drop out of the sky to affect this target, it only requires half a foot or less to achieve this goal and TFT acolyte probably isn't even aware how the mechanics of impact and compression forces differ through the use of the knee drop.

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