Fang Shen Do

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Thanks Peter!

[PeterPantsless]

Great question.
No I have'nt tried out any schools yet. Thaks for asking.
But I promise to answer your questions when I do.
(I just hope some jerk does'nt call it a thread drift when I do because I'm getting sick of dealing with bad tempered rude jerks.)

I'm really looking forward to it actually. I miss training.

I'm torn however because I'm totally uninterested in getting in the ring. It's just not where my interests lay. But I do want a school that teaches a MA that does work for self defense.

There are lots of schools in Ottawa that are great for self defence. FSD is not one of them. I truly believe that you typical weekend "street fighter", would obliterate an FSD pratitioner. The main reason is because the street fighter would not play into the FSD paradigm. They would not throw punches that fall short of target. They would not sit there and be double blasted. They won't stop fighting because of a biu-jee to the eye. They will not give you an arm for a takedown, phon sau, or wristlock. They won't be killed by a backfist. They will keep coming. They will beat on you repeatedly. They will grapple.

So, here is a list of schools that I think are great for self defence, and sport.

Igor Yakimov's sambo training center.
Bob Carver's Thai Boxing Academy
Ronin MMA
Ottawa Academy of Martial arts
and I have heard good things about Takahashi

I'm sure there are others, that I am not familiar with. I found trying out schools to be a blast, not to mention a real eye opener.

Enjoy.

[BoardHitBack]

Point 2:
Absolutley. I agree.

But it seems that because I've never trained anywhere else you all know something I don't. I won't argue that because it's probably true.
However, I think I can defend myself. Maybe not as well as some of you warriors but for an average guy I'm fine. Even if you don't like the way FSD sparrs it sure taught me a hell of a lot

The average guy is any guy. Being able to defend yourself against the lowest common denominator probably won't help you. People who start violent confrontations tend to be used to doing so- so you better get used to the idea the average guy that gets into fights or assaults people is not always the easy proposition you make it out to be.

My sensei has a saying. "Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect". Sparring poorly will mean you fight poorly. Using poor techniques against someone using poor techniques doesn't teach you how to defend yourself at all. It just gives you the false and dangerous belief that you can.

[BoardHitBack]

Point 3:
There is no way I'm gonna argue about that because you are right.

(But you can't say i can't make lemonade out of lemons.)

You didn't get lemons. You got dogshit.

[GreenHornet]

without aliveness everything is futile... even your average guy self defence. Understand that even very basic self defence techniques require aliveness for you to be able to execute it effectively.
I don't say dead patterns are all bad, heck most of my kickboxing classes are dead patterns only i.e.: striking pads with predifinite combos, but I get the chance to have every friday 2 hours of completely open mat so I can do sparring.
my instructor knows about the importance of aliveness and that is why we have sparring classes for free (unlike fsd).
with the proper equipement, even eye jabs can be realisticly practiced, so don't complain about too deadly techniques too.

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Enhanced. You mentioned before, after some of us gave examples of why we thought FSD was not a good system, that you would keep those things in mind, when trying out other schools. I'm just wondering if you have tried any other schools out yet, and if so, how they compared to FSD.

Great question.
No I have'nt tried out any schools yet. Thaks for asking.
But I promise to answer your questions when I do.
(I just hope some jerk does'nt call it a thread drift when I do because I'm getting sick of dealing with bad tempered rude jerks.)

I'm really looking forward to it actually. I miss training.

I'm torn however because I'm totally uninterested in getting in the ring. It's just not where my interests lay. But I do want a school that teaches a MA that does work for self defense.


But I won't ask for help or advice here noooo! I know better than that. God forbid somebody give a fella some good advice now that he's free from the evil clutches of FSD.
TKD Black was kind enough to recomend a school (Ronin) are you guys gonna break his balls because he did something positive for somebody?

Some of you guys are like the USA, you come into Vietnam (FSD) make a big fucking mess (students quit) and after you've had you fun you leave the innocents (students) holding the bag (where do I train now?).

Anyway yeah, good question I'll bet back to you.

Maybe I am a mouth piece I sure can take a question and run with it! (Hail Satan):XXhesitan

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Point 1:
I'm saying I paid money for something and even though it turns out I could have gotten it cheaper (and bettter as I'm told) some place else I still enjoyed the classes very much.
They were fun.
If you want to say I enjoyed being robbed, well go ahead. I understand why you are saying it.

Point 2:
Absolutley. I agree.

But it seems that because I've never trained anywhere else you all know something I don't. I won't argue that because it's probably true.
However, I think I can defend myself. Maybe not as well as some of you warriors but for an average guy I'm fine. Even if you don't like the way FSD sparrs it sure taught me a hell of a lot.

Point 3:
There is no way I'm gonna argue about that because you are right.

(But you can't say i can't make lemonade out of lemons.)

[PeterPantsless]

Enhanced. You mentioned before, after some of us gave examples of why we thought FSD was not a good system, that you would keep those things in mind, when trying out other schools. I'm just wondering if you have tried any other schools out yet, and if so, how they compared to FSD.

[BoardHitBack]

Even though I now realize it was a rip off I still really enjoyed the classes

Enhanced says Fang Shen Do is a rip-off. And he enjoyed being robbed.

Not everybody wants to be an MMA warrior and you know what? That's OK.

No, not everyone want to be an MMA warrior. But people that go to martial arts classes expect to learn to defend themselves. If they are paying huge amounts of money for it, they ought to be having their expections fulfilled thru their training.

Nobody needs any of your permission to have a good time. Even if that good time costs to much. Who has'nt gone out to the strippers and blown away two days pay?

FSD isn't marketed as a good time. It's marketed as the Way of Survival. It's marketed as effective self-defence. Every technique seen on video is completely unrealistic, laughably so in most cases. Everyone who has left FSD and started elsewhere and come forward tell us that what they learned at Fang Shen Do is of little or no use. So marketing it as a self-defence art is lying to people. It's deceiving people and taking advantage of those who don't know better. That's wrong. It is plain immoral.
Strippers don't lie to you about what you are getting for your money.

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Enhanced admitted he was a mouthpiece.

Oh really, did I?

back that up.

Is It Fake get your shit straight.

Maybe you're one of the guys that got burned really bad so that is why you are so bitter and lashing out, fine. I can understand.


In general some of you guys just can't handle that I asked you to back up what you were saying.

I conceided to your arguements once I had tried all mine out and one by one they were shot down.

However right from go I agreed with the high price complaint, extra necesary seminars, training camp and weapons class.

All I wanted was you to back up your claims that the self defense did'nt work.
Considering you guys are trying to bring down the FSD organisation that really is not to much to ask.

When I finally did admit that you guys were right (yes I did) the whole time, a couple of you like Askari acknowledged me. But even after my admission you guys still think I'm Sifu this or that.

Even though I now realize it was a rip off I still really enjoyed the classes and that is why FSD has been a sucess.
The classes are fun.
Not everybody wants to be an MMA warrior and you know what? That's OK.

Nobody needs any of your permission to have a good time. Even if that good time costs to much. Who has'nt gone out to the strippers and blown away two days pay?

I have admited I was wrong can you?

[It is Fake]

holy shit, ok i am not an instructer, and i i did only 8 classes, plus some free training days.

where the fuck did you get that from? i was a member for under ten days, but i quickly quit because of the prices, and all what i heard.

geez, and you guys call me retarded.

Now you are an ex-member. When you first started posting you slipped up and said you were a member. Then later you modified to say you just joined.

[Crazy Mount]

Like I said before, just ignore Shadow Beast until he posts something of value. All his stupid shit just keeps us from talking about the crap that FSD is made of. Don't really know if Shadow Beast is a product of FSD or not, and I don't really care anymore. One thing is for sure and that is that he'd fit in with them well. Maybe he should have never quit.

Oh my lord, what did I say. Sorry Beast, I would never recommend that to anyone, not even you.

Still rooting for you!

[red-dragon]

"geez, and you guys call me retarded"


"Stupid is as stupid does".... enough said

[shadow beast]

Yeah, you are one of the dickhead instructors trying a new tactic. That is all I need to know.

Enhanced admitted he was a mouthpiece. You let it slip you were already a student way before your "trial 8 classes" BS.

holy shit, ok i am not an instructer, and i i did only 8 classes, plus some free training days.

where the fuck did you get that from? i was a member for under ten days, but i quickly quit because of the prices, and all what i heard.

geez, and you guys call me retarded.

[It is Fake]

Yeah, you are one of the dickhead instructors trying a new tactic. That is all I need to know.

Enhanced admitted he was a mouthpiece. You let it slip you were already a student way before your "trial 8 classes" BS.