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**Cdnronin** · 4/29/2006 5:07pm,

Originally posted by lowflyer

I was talking with a Fang Shen Do student today, and the studentd are being told by Pat , that this thread died after he posted his reply.

No mention was made to the students how Stephane was looking fo a fight.

I have no doubt that pat would like this thread to die, but there's a lot of life left in this ol gal. Why would Pat say such things? does he not want his students to read of his associates many accomplishments?

**BoardHitBack** · 4/29/2006 5:19pm,

Originally posted by lowflyer

I was talking with a Fang Shen Do student today, and the studentd are being told by Pat , that this thread died after he posted his reply.

Which reply was this? Which FSD handle was he posting under?

Thanks for the info lowflyer- keep your below radar contacts with FSD students up!

**Doctor X** · 4/29/2006 5:23pm,

Originally posted by TKD Black Belt

Although given the state of a friend last night we could have send him home with the Seagull and we might not have fingured out where is was for a while!

Just roll Seagull in flour and search for the "wet spot," . . .

Now focus dammit! We have work to do.

Yes, as in where are the pictures? Did her knife scars look as sexy in the morning as they did last night? [Stop that!--Ed.]

As for whether or not this "trapping" "works" in t3h d34dly str33t, I suppose it depends on the situation. What people forget, is these are not "finishing" moves. Heck, I know an old man who is very tall and very fast--still--and he has made the arm-grab a move he has used "in t3h str33t." Basically, the opponent's natural reaction is to pause as the surprise.

Then the man beats the hell out of him. No, "grab my wrist" defenses do not really work.

Anyways, it is like steping on someone's foot. It creates a "shock" in the opponent's initiative. No more, no less.

Sooooo . . . I suppose someone could try something . . . and you could "trap" an arm . . . but then you better do something--and a lot of somethings.

Now, that "justification" aside, is it worth learning this? In isolation, no. Returning to my "old man," he can teach you how to grab an arm which works against beginners and bar-room idiots . . . but with out the "something else" it is useless.

--J.D.

**Macte** · 4/29/2006 10:35pm,

new one

Ran into two of their older people yesterday...one said that when he quit they sent a letter to threaten him 'saying he could run but not hide" another who runs his own small school here in Ottawa said that he would not talk about it to anyone..sad....but it`s his call...he teaches JKD/Kali and Jiu-Jitsu now.....and when my buddy asked him about training in Jiu-Jitsu he said to go to Ronin or Bob carvers..Carver is with Erik Paulson(CSW) I guess..he said he`d heard the guy at Ronin was talented..it was nice to hear an ex student of theirs talk highly about another school...and he himself has had a bunch of BJJ training..yet he tells my buddy to go to Ronin where they focus on it..class act....
I guess some of the legit Wing Chun people in Ottawa have had huge probs with the FSD bunch too..been told they sent out people to other schools to try out classes to learn how they operate their schools and such..and how they sent out goons to intimidate the Wing Chun schools here in the early 90`s etc...man oh man....
Even to one guys home......??????????

**Askari** · 4/30/2006 9:56am,

I guess some of the legit Wing Chun people in Ottawa have had huge probs with the FSD bunch too..been told they sent out people to other schools to try out classes to learn how they operate their schools and such..and how they sent out goons to intimidate the Wing Chun schools here in the early 90`s etc...man oh man....
Even to one guys home......??????????

You know, at this point nothing surprises me.

**TKD Black Belt** · 4/30/2006 10:05am,

Originally posted by lowflyer

I was talking with a Fang Shen Do student today, and the studentd are being told by Pat , that this thread died after he posted his reply.

No mention was made to the students how Stephane was looking fo a fight.

Was this when Shadow Beast told me off? Oh, oh I know it was when Enhanced was asking questions, or maybe when Dick69 was asking around. Hmm, I'll have to go back over the thread again and try to remember where the thread died again.

I wonder if this is how FSD fights? "Well technically I was winning until the fight started..."

Ah, Jacques you know I'd like to say I enjoy our little talks but truth be told you guys never answer my questions. Well at least not right away. You all sit down in the pagoda with a dictionary and try to understand the big words that some on this thread use. Perhaps, if like this, we try to speak in small easy to use words we'll get a quicker reply.

Toodles,

TKD

**red-dragon** · 4/30/2006 10:05am,

Originally posted by Macte

Ran into two of their older people yesterday...one said that when he quit they sent a letter to threaten him 'saying he could run but not hide" another who runs his own small school here in Ottawa said that he would not talk about it to anyone..sad....but it`s his call...he teaches JKD/Kali and Jiu-Jitsu now.....and when my buddy asked him about training in Jiu-Jitsu he said to go to Ronin or Bob carvers..Carver is with Erik Paulson(CSW) I guess..he said he`d heard the guy at Ronin was talented..it was nice to hear an ex student of theirs talk highly about another school...and he himself has had a bunch of BJJ training..yet he tells my buddy to go to Ronin where they focus on it..class act....
I guess some of the legit Wing Chun people in Ottawa have had huge probs with the FSD bunch too..been told they sent out people to other schools to try out classes to learn how they operate their schools and such..and how they sent out goons to intimidate the Wing Chun schools here in the early 90`s etc...man oh man....
Even to one guys home......??????????

THESE PEOPLE ARE PURE THUGS AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE USING MARTIAL ARTS AS THEIR VEHICLE TO DO THEIR DIRTY WORK IS OUTRAGEOUS.....

It is now beginning to catch up to them, keep this thread alive, the truth always prevails!

Hey sJP, sniffed any dog shit lately?

**wagamichi** · 4/30/2006 10:10am,

We ought to go to canada and just kick the shit out of them.

It is kind of funny thought to think of one WC group intimidating another WC group....that would have been some slap fight.

**TKD Black Belt** · 4/30/2006 10:49am,

Originally posted by wagamichi

It is kind of funny thought to think of one WC group intimidating another WC group....that would have been some slap fight.

I can just see it now. Dozens of guys in pony tails and silk robes faking heart attacks and disinterest in the fight just to perform a secret 'close' like that SNL skit about the Ninjas.

"Maybe we shouldn't yell before we attack next time..."

TKD

I can just see BJM refing that fight, 'Come on guys, you gotta do something!'

**Askari** · 4/30/2006 10:54am,

I previously in the history thread posted portions of the advertising history. Thought I'd make an animated gif out of all the yellow page advertisements:

Sort of a snapshot of their sordid history. That is ugly hypnotic, I'll see if I can create a slower version. F***in Gif editors. Ok, that should work now.

**TKD Black Belt** · 4/30/2006 11:14am,

Originally posted by Askari

I previously in the history thread posted portions of the advertising history. Thought I'd make an animated gif out of all the yellow page advertisements:

Sort of a snapshot of their sordid history. That is ugly hypnotic, I'll see if I can create a slower version. F***in Gif editors. Ok, that should work now.

FANG SHEN DON'T in my opinion....

**Stringfellow** · 4/30/2006 5:46pm,

Originally posted by lowflyer

I was talking with a Fang Shen Do student today, and the studentd are being told by Pat , that this thread died after he posted his reply.

No mention was made to the students how Stephane was looking fo a fight.

Interesting. That means that at least some students are openly talking about it. And Pat's doing damage control, which is to be expected.

**Askari** · 4/30/2006 6:43pm,

More Videos

A number of people have been PM'ing me with links to videos. I have to thank them for the work they have put in. So I will link to a few and we can discuss as we go.

Thoughts on this particular method of bridging the gap?

(Linked pic)

**DAYoung** · 4/30/2006 6:46pm,

Originally posted by Askari

A number of people have been PM'ing me with links to videos. I have to thank them for the work they have put in. So I will link to a few and we can discuss as we go.

Thoughts on this particular method of bridging the gap?

(Linked pic)

What's with the raised hand before he spins?

**Stringfellow** · 4/30/2006 6:48pm,

FYI for those that have been waiting, part 2 of the exit strategies has been posted on the fangshendont blog (fangshendont.blogspot.com)

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